Winter '09 build...a few upgrades. - Page 4

mcamish01 · 02-11-2009, 10:33 AM

jeezus!....what do the regular Creepys cost?

phillyzj · 02-11-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mcamish01

jeezus!....what do the regular Creepys cost?

msrp can be found on https://www.shopmaxxis.com/b2c

only comp creepy crawlers are:

40" - 815.59

regular creepy's:

38.5x16 - 566.66

40" - 713.62

so a little less

37" trepadors actually came down since i last looked, only 658.77 each now...ONLY....

comp tires suck to buy, it'd be nice if prices came down just a little...

Lubes · 02-11-2009, 12:55 PM

That ridiculous. Noone that actually needs em (high end comp guys) pays for em anyway. The general public does not need that sticky of a tire. They should just not sell comp compound to the public, and let any sucker willing to pay that price buy cheaper tires, and use the rest of the money saved to help stimulate the economy.

mcamish01 · 02-11-2009, 01:11 PM

ummm....just FYI, I get Krawler Reds for sbout $425 ea. And they're SO worth the money.

Fullsizexj · 02-11-2009, 01:39 PM

I think the Maxix site had the 37's at 460.00 each if I remember correctly

phillyzj · 02-11-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fullsizexj

I think the Maxix site had the 37's at 460.00 each if I remember correctly

i feel like he had been talking about running 38.5's

maybe he should just answer the question

Timmay · 02-11-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mcamish01

i think the Krawler reds are cheaper and all the comp guys seem to think they work better in the wet.

Hmm, i've heard the opposite.

mcamish01 · 02-11-2009, 05:05 PM

really? One of the competitors I spoke with literally said he couldn't compete against Krawlers in the wet on his comp treps.

Vetteboy · 02-11-2009, 08:05 PM

Keep in mind, it snows up here. Ever wheel a Krawler in the snow?

Yeah, it sucks. You can keep that crap. And the outer tread ply starts cracking once you flex them hard in the cold.

I need something VERY multi-use. It needs to perform well on wet aggregate rock, dirt climbs, concrete, highway, jagged granite, coal mud, etc. It also needs to last a minimum of two years of mixed use. Comp compound in general gets shredded to **** up here, and yeah I'll make everything I try, but I'll be buying them again a season later.

I should have 'em either Friday or Monday at the latest. Either way I'll be spending the weekend trying to get rid of the IROKs...

Hypnotik Robot · 02-11-2009, 08:07 PM

Buy a bunch of rope and then hang them in the local parks as tire swings.

Timmay · 02-11-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mcamish01

really? One of the competitors I spoke with literally said he couldn't compete against Krawlers in the wet on his comp treps.

Wierd, I heard Krawlers blow in the wet. My treps don't have a lick of care whether it's wet or dry, they hook up the same. I might have a different compound than most though...

mcamish01 · 02-12-2009, 12:53 AM

i wish i had some good pictures or my 37 Krawlers that i just got rid of to my buddy for him to run.....they're only 6 years old and still hook up great for rock. Sounds like there are plenty out there to refute my claim, so i guess we'll see a good number of ya'll down here soon for comps.

Vetteboy · 02-13-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vetteboy

I should have 'em either Friday or Monday at the latest. Either way I'll be spending the weekend trying to get rid of the IROKs...

Oooh.

Just got confirmation that a big pile of rubber arrived at the shop.

Fullsizexj · 02-13-2009, 01:50 PM

Like a kid waiting to leave for Disney land eh Chris

Vetteboy · 02-14-2009, 08:30 PM

GWhiteXJ · 02-14-2009, 08:43 PM

MBood82 · 02-14-2009, 08:43 PM

oooh, mean!

Mills89YJ · 02-14-2009, 10:16 PM

Looks really good! Is your steering bent? I like the front tube work a lot!

GWhiteXJ · 02-15-2009, 01:04 AM

I was wondering about that myself? All the new mods and you havnt fixed your bent lower link or steering?!?! Tsk Tsk....jk...Im guessing they dont pose that much of a problem correct? How did you bend that anyways...and whats it made of? Tie-rod that is. Was that part of the damage from the 4' ledge that claimed the straightness of your front frame rails?

Vetteboy · 02-15-2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GWhiteXJ

I was wondering about that myself? All the new mods and you havnt fixed your bent lower link or steering?!?! Tsk Tsk....jk...Im guessing they dont pose that much of a problem correct? How did you bend that anyways...and whats it made of? Tie-rod that is. Was that part of the damage from the 4' ledge that claimed the straightness of your front frame rails?

Once your rig is wheelin, what you'll eventually realize is the things that command priority for upgrading and repairing are the things that actually affect your perception from the driver's seat. My lower link(s) are all bent. The biggest one happened in November of '07. The tie rod I changed in March '08 and it bent in April '08 the first time it hit something. If you think mine's bad, you should see Timmay's...fact is, it's just not a big deal. I'll fix that when I'm not fixing things that actually impede wheeling, like crappy tires and a broken-in-half transfer case.

So for today, we start with this:

New beadlock hardware vs. old. 144 grade-8 bolts, 144 nylock nuts, 288 washers, $35. Gotta love bulk hardware pricing at Fazzios (~$2/lb.)

Grr.

Two down. This beadlock crap takes forever.

edit for clarification. 36 bolts per wheel x 4 wheels = 144 bolts. each wheel requires 4 complete torque cycles = 576 tightenings. These are to 15-20 ft-lbs max so an impact gun doesn't work, plus they're nylock so you need a wrench on the backside as well. Plus you need to undo all 144 existing fasteners, then use 4" bolts to start setting the beadlocks down on the wheel, then 3", then the final 2" bolts, which you have to reach under and start the nuts on the bolt threads 144 times before you can tighten them. Then you end up crawling around on the floor all day long to tighten them. I'm ****ing tired.

I like the pathetic worn-out, leaking-air Irok in the background.

Took a while, but all 4 are on.

Buncha little junk on the schedule for tomorrow.

Hoofmann · 02-15-2009, 02:52 AM

Please don't put those goddamn fenders back on. . . I think it looks sexy the way it is now.

Fullsizexj · 02-15-2009, 08:31 AM

so when is going on the trailer to head for CA, gotta be getting down to the wire by now

offroadman83 · 02-15-2009, 09:37 AM

I want creepys!!!!!

Timmay · 02-15-2009, 10:19 AM

Aw real tires aww....

On a side note..

http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=984862

So much for being original.

OverlandZJ · 02-15-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmay

Aw real tires aww....

On a side note..

http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=984862

So much for being original.

I saw that too Tim.

Chris, rig looks great. Theres a local u-pull here with plenty of fenders. I can grab you a set if you dont find anything local.

Vetteboy · 02-15-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kebo

Please don't put those goddamn fenders back on. . . I think it looks sexy the way it is now.

I'll be putting something on. It will likely start out being a stock fender, but will probably end up being a lot less than that...

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Originally Posted by Fullsizexj

so when is going on the trailer to head for CA, gotta be getting down to the wire by now

A week from today.

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Originally Posted by Timmay

So much for being original.

Just be glad you didn't do an MJ tailgate.

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Originally Posted by ExpeditionXJ

Theres a local u-pull here with plenty of fenders. I can grab you a set if you dont find anything local.

I might take you up on that. I really don't want to buy a fresh set because they're just gonna get cut up anyway. Probably not until I get back from CA though.

Mills89YJ · 02-15-2009, 01:10 PM

I have a set off a 98 Ill sell ya for a really good deal... shipping might suck tho...

OverlandZJ · 02-15-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mills89YJ

I have a set off a 98 Ill sell ya for a really good deal... shipping might suck tho...

White by any chance? If Chris passes on yours PM me.. i have a local who i need to find a set for.

Mills89YJ · 02-15-2009, 05:53 PM

Nope... same color as timmay's jeep but ya could paint em!

Vetteboy · 02-15-2009, 11:39 PM

Yeah '98 isn't gonna help me...totally different lines where it meets the header panel. Thanks for the offer though.

New pics coming up...

Vetteboy · 02-15-2009, 11:52 PM

As a start...May '07 vs. Feb '09:

Flexed out a lil bit. Looks like the tires fit perfectly.

A lot of people had asked about the air bumps interfering with the springs at full droop. Works out OK.

Full stuff is...interesting, but not bad. I'd rather have it stop the flex here and have some reserve for hard hits...Goatman over on NAXJA has said that if you can fully compress your bumpstops on flex alone your setup is too soft, so I think this is a good start:

Not sure how to make this geometry any better, but I think it's good enough for now.

From the back...

I ended up spending the afternoon getting the front headlight harness re-installed and also rotated the tie rod and re-aligned the hydro ram clamp so it's all straight again. We'll see how long that lasts.

mcamish01 · 02-16-2009, 07:58 AM

The evolution definitely looks like its in the right direction to me! I feel your pain on the beadlock bolts, and I've got a friend who was shortsighted enough to buy differently backspaced front and rear wheels, so when he needs to rotate his tires he has to redo all 32 bolts per wheel. If your worried about the bump pads and their contact angle you could turn a low angle chamfer in them and that may help.

Timmay · 02-16-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vetteboy

Yeah '98 isn't gonna help me...totally different lines where it meets the header panel. Thanks for the offer though.

New pics coming up...

Dude, you just cut those lines off the header panel and replaced it with tube. They'll work...

Vetteboy · 02-16-2009, 08:24 AM

I thought about it a little more after I wrote that, and I agree...but I'd rather they go to someone who actually needs the '97+ pieces. I'm in no rush.

Timmay · 02-16-2009, 08:56 AM

True that. I do think they might slip under those tubes a little easier since the radius starts closer to the mounting tabs. That probably doesn't make sense, but you know.

02-11-2009, 10:33 AM	#106
mcamish01 Yeah, so I hit a tree. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SC Posts: 1,834	jeezus!....what do the regular Creepys cost? __________________ -'97 TJ, stretched & doved, 5.9L, TF999, Atlas, HP D60's, 39 Krawlers -'01 Cummins HO, 4.10s, 6 spd, 33" KM2's, 4" SS exhaust & exh. brake

02-11-2009, 12:55 PM	#108
Lubes alcoholic little wombat Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Crawlorado Posts: 23,215	That ridiculous. Noone that actually needs em (high end comp guys) pays for em anyway. The general public does not need that sticky of a tire. They should just not sell comp compound to the public, and let any sucker willing to pay that price buy cheaper tires, and use the rest of the money saved to help stimulate the economy. __________________ Wranglermeister Fan Page No, THIS is a Jeep-thing... you wouldn't understand!

02-11-2009, 01:11 PM	#109
mcamish01 Yeah, so I hit a tree. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SC Posts: 1,834	ummm....just FYI, I get Krawler Reds for sbout $425 ea. And they're SO worth the money. __________________ -'97 TJ, stretched & doved, 5.9L, TF999, Atlas, HP D60's, 39 Krawlers -'01 Cummins HO, 4.10s, 6 spd, 33" KM2's, 4" SS exhaust & exh. brake

02-11-2009, 01:39 PM	#110
Fullsizexj Trail Guide Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Milton WV Posts: 1,247	I think the Maxix site had the 37's at 460.00 each if I remember correctly __________________ Richard Burrow Full Size XJ http://www.fullsizexjgear.com Team 304 http://www.mudrivermotorsports.net

02-11-2009, 05:05 PM	#113
mcamish01 Yeah, so I hit a tree. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SC Posts: 1,834	really? One of the competitors I spoke with literally said he couldn't compete against Krawlers in the wet on his comp treps. __________________ -'97 TJ, stretched & doved, 5.9L, TF999, Atlas, HP D60's, 39 Krawlers -'01 Cummins HO, 4.10s, 6 spd, 33" KM2's, 4" SS exhaust & exh. brake

02-11-2009, 08:05 PM	#114
Vetteboy glamour turquoise Join Date: May 2003 Location: Red Bank, NJ Posts: 16,704	Keep in mind, it snows up here. Ever wheel a Krawler in the snow? Yeah, it sucks. You can keep that crap. And the outer tread ply starts cracking once you flex them hard in the cold. I need something VERY multi-use. It needs to perform well on wet aggregate rock, dirt climbs, concrete, highway, jagged granite, coal mud, etc. It also needs to last a minimum of two years of mixed use. Comp compound in general gets shredded to ** up here, and yeah I'll make everything I try, but I'll be buying them again a season later. I should have 'em either Friday or Monday at the latest. Either way I'll be spending the weekend trying to get rid of the IROKs... __________________ trail rig: '94 XJ, 14FF, D60, Nv4500, D300, NP231 doubler box, 38.5 Creepies, chopped, caged, MJ'd. Wheeling.** DD/tow: '05 Dodge 2500 CTD 6-speed. Wheelin '09...time to have fun. Hammers: x Rausch Creek: xxxxxxxx Uhwarrie 4x4cross: x Line Mountain Miler: x Big Dogs: x RCRocs race: x (= dead xj) Wheelin '10...time to go faster.

02-11-2009, 08:07 PM	#115
Hypnotik Robot Dirty Hippie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ottawa, Il Posts: 27,103	Buy a bunch of rope and then hang them in the local parks as tire swings. __________________ Zero Fucks Given

02-12-2009, 12:53 AM	#117
mcamish01 Yeah, so I hit a tree. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SC Posts: 1,834	i wish i had some good pictures or my 37 Krawlers that i just got rid of to my buddy for him to run.....they're only 6 years old and still hook up great for rock. Sounds like there are plenty out there to refute my claim, so i guess we'll see a good number of ya'll down here soon for comps. __________________ -'97 TJ, stretched & doved, 5.9L, TF999, Atlas, HP D60's, 39 Krawlers -'01 Cummins HO, 4.10s, 6 spd, 33" KM2's, 4" SS exhaust & exh. brake

02-13-2009, 01:50 PM	#119
Fullsizexj Trail Guide Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Milton WV Posts: 1,247	Like a kid waiting to leave for Disney land eh Chris __________________ Richard Burrow Full Size XJ http://www.fullsizexjgear.com Team 304 http://www.mudrivermotorsports.net

02-14-2009, 08:30 PM	#120
Vetteboy glamour turquoise Join Date: May 2003 Location: Red Bank, NJ Posts: 16,704	__________________ trail rig: '94 XJ, 14FF, D60, Nv4500, D300, NP231 doubler box, 38.5 Creepies, chopped, caged, MJ'd. Wheeling. DD/tow: '05 Dodge 2500 CTD 6-speed. Wheelin '09...time to have fun. Hammers: x Rausch Creek: xxxxxxxx Uhwarrie 4x4cross: x Line Mountain Miler: x Big Dogs: x RCRocs race: x (= dead xj) Wheelin '10...time to go faster.

02-14-2009, 08:43 PM	#121
GWhiteXJ Squeaker ball Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Crawlorado Posts: 1,911	__________________ Juggle your junk, fondle yur bewbers..... cancer sucks!!

02-14-2009, 08:43 PM	#122
MBood82 Turd Ferguson Join Date: May 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 12,329	oooh, mean!

02-14-2009, 10:16 PM	#123
Mills89YJ Trail Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norman OK Posts: 877	Looks really good! Is your steering bent? I like the front tube work a lot! __________________ YJ7, 5.3l, TH350, 231/300 Doubler w/ Cable Triple Sticks, 35sp D60 w/5.38s & locked/high steer, 14b w/ spool & 5.38s, SOA front w/ 2" BDS springs, Dual Triangulated 4 link rear, 4" total lift, 117" WB, 44" Rockers on 15x12 Eatons... not finished. BOOMER SOONER BIOTCHES!!!

02-15-2009, 01:04 AM	#124
GWhiteXJ Squeaker ball Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Crawlorado Posts: 1,911	I was wondering about that myself? All the new mods and you havnt fixed your bent lower link or steering?!?! Tsk Tsk....jk...Im guessing they dont pose that much of a problem correct? How did you bend that anyways...and whats it made of? Tie-rod that is. Was that part of the damage from the 4' ledge that claimed the straightness of your front frame rails? __________________ Juggle your junk, fondle yur bewbers..... cancer sucks!!

02-15-2009, 02:52 AM	#126
Hoofmann AKA: Kebo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Crawlorado Posts: 5,914	Please don't put those goddamn fenders back on. . . I think it looks sexy the way it is now. __________________ '93 W250 5sp '99 TJ

02-15-2009, 08:31 AM	#127
Fullsizexj Trail Guide Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Milton WV Posts: 1,247	so when is going on the trailer to head for CA, gotta be getting down to the wire by now __________________ Richard Burrow Full Size XJ http://www.fullsizexjgear.com Team 304 http://www.mudrivermotorsports.net

02-15-2009, 09:37 AM	#128
offroadman83 Trail Guide Join Date: May 2003 Location: Edinburg, TX Posts: 1,393	I want creepys!!!!! __________________ 98 xj exo caged, rustys longarm, 36" tsls, electric locker front, spool rear, 5.38s in the 44 front 9" full width. A/C, heat and defrost...............priceless

02-15-2009, 10:19 AM	#129
Timmay Join Date: May 2004 Location: NJ/PA Posts: 19,076	Aw real tires aww.... On a side note.. http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=984862 So much for being original. __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.LiquidIronIndustries.com (856)-336-2639 '13 LII Eliminator Chassis - "Fred" Ultra 4 #4343 '03 3/4 ton Cummity Cummins - "The Black Knight" '03 KTM 450 - "Katoom" '99 Kenworth T2000 - "Shamu"

02-15-2009, 01:10 PM	#132
Mills89YJ Trail Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norman OK Posts: 877	I have a set off a 98 Ill sell ya for a really good deal... shipping might suck tho... __________________ YJ7, 5.3l, TH350, 231/300 Doubler w/ Cable Triple Sticks, 35sp D60 w/5.38s & locked/high steer, 14b w/ spool & 5.38s, SOA front w/ 2" BDS springs, Dual Triangulated 4 link rear, 4" total lift, 117" WB, 44" Rockers on 15x12 Eatons... not finished. BOOMER SOONER BIOTCHES!!!

02-15-2009, 05:53 PM	#134
Mills89YJ Trail Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norman OK Posts: 877	Nope... same color as timmay's jeep but ya could paint em! __________________ YJ7, 5.3l, TH350, 231/300 Doubler w/ Cable Triple Sticks, 35sp D60 w/5.38s & locked/high steer, 14b w/ spool & 5.38s, SOA front w/ 2" BDS springs, Dual Triangulated 4 link rear, 4" total lift, 117" WB, 44" Rockers on 15x12 Eatons... not finished. BOOMER SOONER BIOTCHES!!!

02-15-2009, 11:39 PM	#135
Vetteboy glamour turquoise Join Date: May 2003 Location: Red Bank, NJ Posts: 16,704	Yeah '98 isn't gonna help me...totally different lines where it meets the header panel. Thanks for the offer though. New pics coming up... __________________ trail rig: '94 XJ, 14FF, D60, Nv4500, D300, NP231 doubler box, 38.5 Creepies, chopped, caged, MJ'd. Wheeling. DD/tow: '05 Dodge 2500 CTD 6-speed. Wheelin '09...time to have fun. Hammers: x Rausch Creek: xxxxxxxx Uhwarrie 4x4cross: x Line Mountain Miler: x Big Dogs: x RCRocs race: x (= dead xj) Wheelin '10...time to go faster.

02-15-2009, 11:52 PM	#136
Vetteboy glamour turquoise Join Date: May 2003 Location: Red Bank, NJ Posts: 16,704	As a start...May '07 vs. Feb '09: Flexed out a lil bit. Looks like the tires fit perfectly. A lot of people had asked about the air bumps interfering with the springs at full droop. Works out OK. Full stuff is...interesting, but not bad. I'd rather have it stop the flex here and have some reserve for hard hits...Goatman over on NAXJA has said that if you can fully compress your bumpstops on flex alone your setup is too soft, so I think this is a good start: Not sure how to make this geometry any better, but I think it's good enough for now. From the back... I ended up spending the afternoon getting the front headlight harness re-installed and also rotated the tie rod and re-aligned the hydro ram clamp so it's all straight again. We'll see how long that lasts. __________________ trail rig: '94 XJ, 14FF, D60, Nv4500, D300, NP231 doubler box, 38.5 Creepies, chopped, caged, MJ'd. Wheeling. DD/tow: '05 Dodge 2500 CTD 6-speed. Wheelin '09...time to have fun. Hammers: x Rausch Creek: xxxxxxxx Uhwarrie 4x4cross: x Line Mountain Miler: x Big Dogs: x RCRocs race: x (= dead xj) Wheelin '10...time to go faster.

02-16-2009, 07:58 AM	#137
mcamish01 Yeah, so I hit a tree. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SC Posts: 1,834	The evolution definitely looks like its in the right direction to me! I feel your pain on the beadlock bolts, and I've got a friend who was shortsighted enough to buy differently backspaced front and rear wheels, so when he needs to rotate his tires he has to redo all 32 bolts per wheel. If your worried about the bump pads and their contact angle you could turn a low angle chamfer in them and that may help. __________________ -'97 TJ, stretched & doved, 5.9L, TF999, Atlas, HP D60's, 39 Krawlers -'01 Cummins HO, 4.10s, 6 spd, 33" KM2's, 4" SS exhaust & exh. brake

02-16-2009, 08:24 AM	#139
Vetteboy glamour turquoise Join Date: May 2003 Location: Red Bank, NJ Posts: 16,704	I thought about it a little more after I wrote that, and I agree...but I'd rather they go to someone who actually needs the '97+ pieces. I'm in no rush. __________________ trail rig: '94 XJ, 14FF, D60, Nv4500, D300, NP231 doubler box, 38.5 Creepies, chopped, caged, MJ'd. Wheeling. DD/tow: '05 Dodge 2500 CTD 6-speed. Wheelin '09...time to have fun. Hammers: x Rausch Creek: xxxxxxxx Uhwarrie 4x4cross: x Line Mountain Miler: x Big Dogs: x RCRocs race: x (= dead xj) Wheelin '10...time to go faster.

02-16-2009, 08:56 AM	#140
Timmay Join Date: May 2004 Location: NJ/PA Posts: 19,076	True that. I do think they might slip under those tubes a little easier since the radius starts closer to the mounting tabs. That probably doesn't make sense, but you know. __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.LiquidIronIndustries.com (856)-336-2639 '13 LII Eliminator Chassis - "Fred" Ultra 4 #4343 '03 3/4 ton Cummity Cummins - "The Black Knight" '03 KTM 450 - "Katoom" '99 Kenworth T2000 - "Shamu"