my deathwobble....

[kyle92xj47cj]

may just be a darn out of round tire like i was thinking way way back in the back of my mine....


the other day i drove it on the highway and the back tire seemed to have a lil hop to it as i was driving 65-75mph.... (i had rotated the tires to the back to see if it was really the tires and later on after another alignment and driving on the hwy it was obvious the tire would be the culprit....

So this week i am getting a new pair of BFG's and hence that i am not going to get the AT2's like i thought i would be doing.

I will post again to tell y'all if this was all it was. Was a damn tire out of round....

[bbaCJ8]

Do them all in the same fukking thread. We don't need 27 different ones about you not being able to solve a simple problem. News flash chief.....you don't have deathwobble. You'd never have been able to get up to 65-75 with death wobble, and you never would've been able to drive this long with it. Your rig would've ripped itself apart. You may have a moderate wobble/shake/vibration/whatever, but it's sure as hell not death wobble, especially if it's from a rear tire. Go back to one of your old threads and update that, quit making new ones.

[Krazy]

Originally Posted by bbaCJ8

Do them all in the same fukking thread. We don't need 27 different ones about you not being able to solve a simple problem. News flash chief.....you don't have deathwobble. You'd never have been able to get up to 65-75 with death wobble, and you never would've been able to drive this long with it. Your rig would've ripped itself apart. You may have a moderate wobble/shake/vibration/whatever, but it's sure as hell not death wobble, especially if it's from a rear tire. Go back to one of your old threads and update that, quit making new ones.

x2

[GWhiteXJ]

x3

[kyle92xj47cj]

Originally Posted by bbaCJ8

Do them all in the same fukking thread. We don't need 27 different ones about you not being able to solve a simple problem. News flash chief.....you don't have deathwobble. You'd never have been able to get up to 65-75 with death wobble, and you never would've been able to drive this long with it. Your rig would've ripped itself apart. You may have a moderate wobble/shake/vibration/whatever, but it's sure as hell not death wobble, especially if it's from a rear tire. Go back to one of your old threads and update that, quit making new ones.

nope... i just like pissing ppl off... and i figured no one would have read it if i posted it under the old threads...

also... yeah for those past few mths... i DIDNT DRIVE over 55 as i stayed here in town so i NEVER had to deal the the shakes over 55.... I had to borrow my parent's tacoma here and there though so i could drive fast to get out of town ....

i am getting the two tires monday to replace the one that has the lil bounce to it like no other....

[Arkie, M.D.]

Originally Posted by kyle92xj47cj

I had to borrow my parent's tacoma here and there though so i could drive fast to get out of town ....

Were you running from the law? What'd you do?

[kyle92xj47cj]

no ...not anything like that.... but when i had a denist appt back at home... which is 2hrs away i had to get there somehow...


plus to get out of a college town every once and awhile is important as this town gets old being in.

[Jan de Boer]

if you can drive 50 without getting deathwobble your deathwobble is not serious enough to be mentioned!

[kyle92xj47cj]

it did help to replace the hubs... as i was going on 207,000miles without changing them out.... The passenger's side hub was bad. That contributed to the grinding and some of the vibes i was getting from 35 to 60.... Then when i rotated the tires to the back to see if the tire i was thinking that was out of round i eliminated the other possibilities. And i have changed out the LCAs and gotten the alignment to get it to the point that the vibe isnt really there at 45 to 55 but the bump bump bump .... is.


So if it is not the tire. Then i will eventually just get adjustable LCAs since most of you say that is what made the dw go completely away.

[GWhiteXJ]

Are you sure you know exactly what death wobble is? Based off this post and others it seems you think that any vibration is DW. It most certainly is not the same. Death wobble is an extremly violent front end movement. A worn track bar TRE, worn steering components and control arms are usually the cause. Unless your tire is like 3 pounds out of balance its not the tire!

[Krazy]

Originally Posted by GWhiteXJ

Are you sure you know exactly what death wobble is? Based off this post and others it seems you think that any vibration is DW. It most certainly is not the same. Death wobble is an extremly violent front end movement. A worn track bar TRE, worn steering components and control arms are usually the cause. Unless your tire is like 3 pounds out of balance its not the tire!

x2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj9PNNChVm4 <-Real DW

[GWhiteXJ]

Thank you! Everybody hears the term death wobble and becasue they fixed a minor vibration on their rig they automatically assume that they are DW experts. Watch this video carefully and pay attention to how fawking much the tire moves back and forth....then ask yourself...could a tire do that? NOOOOOOOO! When death wobble occurs the ENTIRE front axle shifts violently back and forth. For all of you so called "Death wobblers" the very first thing you should check should be the trac bar TRE. When this sucker wears out it can allow the axle to shift either direction up to 2"....thats a lot. Minor vibrations at high speeds that only last a few mph are usually curable with a new steering stabalizer or some new TRE's on some steering components. Tires do not cause death wobble! Driveshafts to not cause death wobble. Ball joints do not cause death wobble. Hub assemblies do not cause death wobble. And unless your bushings are shot to piss...control arms rarely cause death wobble. Constant minor vibrations ARE NOT DEATH WOBBLE! Post about death wobble when you acctually have death wobble....this is an old topic that is easily researchable. If you still can get the vibration to stop....name your rig "wobbles" and call it a day.

[bbaCJ8]

Originally Posted by GWhiteXJ

Thank you! Everybody hears the term death wobble and becasue they fixed a minor vibration on their rig they automatically assume that they are DW experts. Watch this video carefully and pay attention to how fawking much the tire moves back and forth....then ask yourself...could a tire do that? NOOOOOOOO! When death wobble occurs the ENTIRE front axle shifts violently back and forth. For all of you so called "Death wobblers" the very first thing you should check should be the trac bar TRE. When this sucker wears out it can allow the axle to shift either direction up to 2"....thats a lot. Minor vibrations at high speeds that only last a few mph are usually curable with a new steering stabalizer or some new TRE's on some steering components. Tires do not cause death wobble! Driveshafts to not cause death wobble. Ball joints do not cause death wobble. Hub assemblies do not cause death wobble. And unless your bushings are shot to piss...control arms rarely cause death wobble. Constant minor vibrations ARE NOT DEATH WOBBLE! Post about death wobble when you acctually have death wobble....this is an old topic that is easily researchable. If you still can get the vibration to stop....name your rig "wobbles" and call it a day.

You have the right idea that minor vibes certainly aren't death wobble, but you're taking it way too far in what causes it. Any of those things you listed that don't cause it can and will be contributing factors too it. Usually no one component is the cause.....it's a combination of several worn items (or one badly worn one like the trac bar you mention), bad geometry, etc. To say none of those components can cause it is simply not true. Oftentimes there will be slight wear in several parts, then you'll add a lift and the geometry change or larger tires will be the final straw that sets it off. I have seen tires be the factor that 'caused' it.....no, they certainly weren't solely at fault, but some very out of round SXs were enough to set off the rest of the worn setup. Any front end wear component will contribute, not just a trac bar.
Oftentime it'll be caused by bad geometry. I initially tried the 6.5" lift on my XJ with adjustable short arms lengthened to the 'right' length for that lift height. All the front end components were new or near enough to new to not have any noteable slop. I knew there was a good possibility that the geometry of the arm could cause DW, and it did. 35 mph, bump, and the Jeep was ready to rip itself apart. I've also heard of a bad alignment after lifting being enough to set off the rest of the system, so I got it aligned. It helped, but didn't fix it. I had already done the research and knew this might happen, so I got drop brackets and installed them (couldn't afford longarms at the time). That solved the issue 100%.

That's why DW i such a pain, cuz it can be caused by lots of different issues working together to create enough problems to shake the rig apart. It often can't be diagnosed by replacing one wear item, especially tires, and small ATs at that. So yes, I agree with your reasoning, but you're trying to oversimplify it a lot.

[thezentree]

Originally Posted by Krazy

x2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj9PNNChVm4 <-Real DW

Haha, I sold the SAS brackets to that guy

[MBood82]

Originally Posted by GWhiteXJ

Thank you! Everybody hears the term death wobble and becasue they fixed a minor vibration on their rig they automatically assume that they are DW experts. Watch this video carefully and pay attention to how fawking much the tire moves back and forth....then ask yourself...could a tire do that? NOOOOOOOO! When death wobble occurs the ENTIRE front axle shifts violently back and forth. For all of you so called "Death wobblers" the very first thing you should check should be the trac bar TRE. When this sucker wears out it can allow the axle to shift either direction up to 2"....thats a lot. Minor vibrations at high speeds that only last a few mph are usually curable with a new steering stabalizer or some new TRE's on some steering components. Tires do not cause death wobble! Driveshafts to not cause death wobble. Ball joints do not cause death wobble. Hub assemblies do not cause death wobble. And unless your bushings are shot to piss...control arms rarely cause death wobble. Constant minor vibrations ARE NOT DEATH WOBBLE! Post about death wobble when you acctually have death wobble....this is an old topic that is easily researchable. If you still can get the vibration to stop....name your rig "wobbles" and call it a day.

FYI, a steering stabilizer doesn't "fix" anything, it just masks it. If a suspension item is loose it will help cover it. It's truly there so when you hit a bump or something tries to jar the wheels and force them to turn it will blunt the force you feel in the steering wheel. My truck currently wobbles the wheels like that one in the video but I don't have any steering stabilizer on it at all because I want to try to fix this first.

[GWhiteXJ]

Ohboy here we go. BBA i agree with you completly. I should have been a little more specific in definition. But i do not feel that one componet in it self will cause death wobble. An extremly worn tre on the trac bar can and i also agree highly with you on geometry angles. Mbood, again i should have been a little more specific. I agree that a stabalizer simply masks issues, but if you only have the problem for 3 mph whats the point in fixing anything. Simply why i said a new stabalizer...to hide the vibe. I will be more specific next time fella's...just gettin tired of death wobble talk.

[kyle92xj47cj]

Originally Posted by GWhiteXJ

Are you sure you know exactly what death wobble is? Based off this post and others it seems you think that any vibration is DW. It most certainly is not the same. Death wobble is an extremly violent front end movement. A worn track bar TRE, worn steering components and control arms are usually the cause. Unless your tire is like 3 pounds out of balance its not the tire!

SH!T...... yeah i had it and dw was definitely what i had at 45 ... but none of you were down here to see it in person... so i could be just blowing smoke up y'alls butts.... but that isnt going on here.

I did however once i put the 2" on the jeep that i had the shakes bad for the last 3mths and couldnt drive past 55 at all

but who do i have to prove in here... NO ONE>...

oh yeah.... i did replace the trackbar twice.... once with rusty's hd one... and then later on i put the HD end on it....

so yes....... END OF DEATH Wobble discussion from me


so thanks for making me a mockery..... like i dont know ****.

i dont give a flying........

[MBood82]

Originally Posted by GWhiteXJ

Mbood, again i should have been a little more specific. I agree that a stabalizer simply masks issues, but if you only have the problem for 3 mph whats the point in fixing anything. Simply why i said a new stabalizer...to hide the vibe.

Generally, I treat it as if it wobbles at any speed, it is caused by something wrong. It's not natural when driving straight down the road for a lateral movement to happen in the suspension like that. Something is causing it to happen and eventually it's going to get worse. Fix it first instead of delaying the inevitable.

[Idaho XJ]

inon1

[OkLaHoMaTJ]

I wont say I'm a death wobble expert but I have had my share of experiences and resolved two death wobble problems on two different rigs.

My TJ would death wobble when I hit a good size bump between speeds of 40-50MPH. I posted on here and did a lot of searching. With some help from some jeepin.com guys I was able to get the problem solved. It turned out to be the axle bushing on the tracbar. I replaced it with a Daystar Poly bushing kit and new bushings in the steering stabilizer. I then retorqued every control arm bolt, shock bolts, etc. It also turned out that the factory cam bolts came loose and allowed the caster to change just enough. After adjusting the cam bolts on the lower control arms...all was well.

[GWhiteXJ]

Originally Posted by MBood82

Generally, I treat it as if it wobbles at any speed, it is caused by something wrong. It's not natural when driving straight down the road for a lateral movement to happen in the suspension like that. Something is causing it to happen and eventually it's going to get worse. Fix it first instead of delaying the inevitable.

But AGAIN its only 3 mph...whats to fix. Whats the inevitable? Of course if soemthing causes a vibration its probably not good but re you good enough to crawl under a rig with a minor vibe at 51-54 mph and look around and go....yep there it is, its the dang ole' drivers side upper control arm bushing. I doubt it. Im not thats for sure. I'd rather wait for a little more wear and determine a primary cause, than start replacing all kinda crap that might not solve a thing and waste a lot of money i didnt need to.

[GWhiteXJ]

Originally Posted by kyle92xj47cj

SH!T...... yeah i had it and dw was definitely what i had at 45 ... but none of you were down here to see it in person... so i could be just blowing smoke up y'alls butts.... but that isnt going on here.

I did however once i put the 2" on the jeep that i had the shakes bad for the last 3mths and couldnt drive past 55 at all

but who do i have to prove in here... NO ONE>...

oh yeah.... i did replace the trackbar twice.... once with rusty's hd one... and then later on i put the HD end on it....

so yes....... END OF DEATH Wobble discussion from me


so thanks for making me a mockery..... like i dont know ****.

i dont give a flying........

I didnt make you nuthin son....you made yourself look like a jacka$$. How do you put on a 2" so incoorectly that you cant drive the rig over 55? Prove it to yourself before proving anyone else.

[jeeglin]

i couldnt drive the jeegle over 45 w/out D/W and when it started it wouldn't stop until about 10mph. the first time it happened i nearly pooped myself

[JeepXJ3]

I say we create a seperate SUB forum just for Kyles DW issues, that way he can post until his heart is content.

[kyle92xj47cj]

Originally Posted by JeepXJ3

I say we create a seperate SUB forum just for Kyles DW issues, that way he can post until his heart is content.

THANKS!


but i wont be posting anymore about it anymore.....


if anything later...it would be a question about the old jeep when i get it over here....

[GWhiteXJ]

Originally Posted by kyle92xj47cj

THANKS!


but i wont be posting anymore about it anymore.....


if anything later...it would be a question about the old jeep when i get it over here....

We are really not trying to be dicks here....a lot of us are just tired of talking about death wobble in general. Ive known many a guy tell me a story about his buddy with a jeep who told him he had a vibration called death wobble. Long story short both guys have incorrectly diagnosed minor vibrations as death wobble. Thus the intriguing phase "death wobble" is heard round the world by friends telling friends, then they freak out there girlfriends and all they have is tires out of balance...or a bad u-joint. 75% of the people I talk to about this describe their so called death wobble to me as a u-joint vibration .....so i wiggle a little and whala...u-joint has play, thus causing a vibration, thus leading to them thinking they have death wobble. Anyways dont be so rational...we're not out to get ya just have a little faith in the guys yours talkin to....someones bound to have the right info you need to fix your rig....but im tellin ya right now....its not that dahmed tire! If ya stick your head out the window and it looks like your tire is gonna go whaillin of and hit ya in da face....thenya death wobble. dont get so...so.... were all just

[jeeglin]

simple def of death wobble: vibration-wobbling-fear for life. hence the term death wobble. if you werent scared sh1tless, it wasnt worth mentioning

[OkLaHoMaTJ]

I actually almost squeezed some shiat out when I first experienced death wobble.

[GWhiteXJ]

My first experience almost made me poop a little too.

[xj_man_646]

this thread is amazing.

[Blue XJ]

Originally Posted by kyle92xj47cj

I did however once i put the 2" on the jeep that i had the shakes bad for the last 3mths and couldnt drive past 55 at all

thats not deathwobble either. I have had it, and snapped the trackbar bolt off when it got too violent. You can be going 80mph just fine and then all of a sudden hit a crack in the cement and it starts its deathwobble. I've been able to drive for a few days straight with no problem, then hit the right bump in the road to set it off. For me its usually balljoints, but it usually wears out a few other things from shaking so bad. I've had it happen going 30mph before and 70mph before, both will make you crap yourself.

[xj_man_646]

One of my friends got death wobble so bad on his YJ that he slammed the brakes doing 75MPH, locked up his 37" boggers, and bent his front leaves.

[jeeglin]

the first time i expirienced it was in ryans mj on I-95, he was like "just hold the wheel straight it'll go away"

[xj_man_646]

Originally Posted by jeeglin

the first time i expirienced it was in ryans mj on I-95, he was like "just hold the wheel straight it'll go away"

Now that I know Ryan, I could see that happening 100%

[Blue XJ]

Mine always went away if I would nail the gas and unload the front end. But I was always too scared to do it.