Bahh! Is my YJ a Lemon?! <--Updated

micaheli · 01-09-2006, 03:11 PM

Long post, but come on.. Help a buddy out.

I had posted about lifts, wheels, my wierd hood alignment issue, etc....

My passenger side tire sticks out almost an entire inch more than the drivers side. I noticed, because the passengers side was flicking water in the air when I drove (its rainy here), and the drivers side wasn't.. So I got out and checked.. Now, could this be caused by my sagging suspension? If so, I'd like to know how that works.. Why does sagging suspension cause the vehicle to lean to the drivers side. Also, my jeep pulls to the left - which could also be because of these things, correct?

The jeep must have been in a decent sized accident involving the passenger side wheel well area, because the springs and the fender are non-stock (scrap yard grease pencil numbers on them) and the Jeep wording on the passenger side is re-painted. Sometimes when I turn there is a soft tick/knock coming from the steering/axle area, but this could very well be something as simple as shocks, leafs shifting (looks like one leaf was removed, my jeep looks lowered in the front).

The hood doesn't align properly and is 1/2-3/4" to the drivers side in the front - However, I don't believe its the hood that isn't lining up, its the grill that is mis-aligned. The grill is about 1/2" back from where it SHOULD be.

Other than these things, the frame appears straight to visual inspection - the body appears to be centered on it, and the body appears un-damaged.

Engine/TC/drivetrain runs and drives PERFECT, steering works great. I can't imagine anything that couldn't be adjusted if the frame/body were straight.

You guys have any ideas? Maybe I'm being paranoid? will a lift (since it replaces most of the spring/shocks/etc) fix the sagging and therefor most of the problems?

-=EDIT=-
Here are links to my other posts about these issues:
http://jeepin.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23632
http://jeepin.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23574
-=END=-

BigNutt · 01-09-2006, 03:13 PM

I didn't read anything, but no its not a lemon.

micaheli · 01-09-2006, 03:14 PM

Gee thanks.

Anybody with any REAL help?

Dennis · 01-09-2006, 03:18 PM

How can a 10+ year old vehicle be a lemon? It is not a lemon it is a USED CAR!

BigNutt · 01-09-2006, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micaheli

Gee thanks.

Anybody with any REAL help?

Your sig says its stock are you sure? It may have a small lift and if so that would explain the springs and the axle issue maybe. Mnay people/dealerships spray ca nthe underside of vehicles to make them look cleaner.

If it has infact been wrecked, well stuff isn't lining up cause its been wrecked durh.

Just make due or start fixing whetever is throwing everything off. If it drives fine I'd just say live with it.

micaheli · 01-09-2006, 03:21 PM

I just want to make sure its structurally safe.. I'm using it as my DD and would like to not die.

So, no, not an aftermarket track-bar.... I honestly don't know what a trackbar is or what it looks like. people keep telling me to remove it.. but it sounds important. Sorry to sound like a ****tard.

BigNutt · 01-09-2006, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micaheli

I just want to make sure its structurally safe.. I'm using it as my DD and would like to not die.

So, no, not an aftermarket track-bar.... I honestly don't know what a trackbar is or what it looks like. people keep telling me to remove it.. but it sounds important. Sorry to sound like a ****tard.

Wait you have a YJ, lol. Do they even have trackbars since they are leaf sprung. That might be why you don't know what it is, haha.

Blacksheep · 01-09-2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micaheli

I just want to make sure its structurally safe.. I'm using it as my DD and would like to not die.

So, no, not an aftermarket track-bar.... I honestly don't know what a trackbar is or what it looks like. people keep telling me to remove it.. but it sounds important. Sorry to sound like a ****tard.

I even DREW you a pic of it!!!!

micaheli · 01-09-2006, 03:28 PM

I should take your crayon away.

Krazy · 01-09-2006, 03:29 PM

i wanna see...

oh and if you decide the YJ isn't safe, i'll take it off your hands...

otisdog · 01-09-2006, 03:30 PM

The track bar runs from the passenger side of the front axle to the frame on the driver's side of the Jeep. It will pull [or push] the axle to one side or the other if it's not the right length for the lift or droop that you have.
jim

Blacksheep · 01-09-2006, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micaheli

I should take your crayon away.

its not a sapository.....

Blacksheep · 01-09-2006, 03:32 PM

Oh SNAP!!!!!!

Could it be off because of the lowered springs in the front? His YJ sits like two inches low on the front

micaheli · 01-09-2006, 03:41 PM

You know.. I just looked at a diagram of what a trackbar is (man, I'm such a stupid n00b) and it makes sense now why it would be pushed to THAT particular side... if it WAS sagged (and it is... BAD) it would totally sag. When I get a lift, I'll need an adjustable trackbar won't I?

Krazy · 01-09-2006, 03:43 PM

just remove it, no point of it on a leafspung vehicle

godplayer · 01-09-2006, 03:49 PM

Take your trac-bar off and beat it on the ground. Then grind the mount off the axle. Here they fail you on inspection for not having it but if you grind off the mount you pass. You don't need it.

BigNutt · 01-09-2006, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micaheli

You know.. I just looked at a diagram of what a trackbar is (man, I'm such a stupid n00b) and it makes sense now why it would be pushed to THAT particular side... if it WAS sagged (and it is... BAD) it would totally sag. When I get a lift, I'll need an adjustable trackbar won't I?

Most leafsprung vehicles don't use them once lifted....I am saying this cause every kit I cna remember didn't come with one.

Shane · 01-09-2006, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blacksheep XJ

I even DREW you a pic of it!!!!

Then you suck

micaheli · 01-09-2006, 04:19 PM

LoL, Hey guys.. easy on BlackSheep.. He's liable to snap into a suicidal rage and take me with him....

I understand how sway bars can be optional.. however, to improve handling for normal everyday driving.. I can see how an adjustable one would be nice to have to keep the car from swaying back and forth.

Shane · 01-09-2006, 04:23 PM

It's Bradley...i will NEVER go easy on him

otisdog · 01-09-2006, 04:39 PM

For the YJ if you really want a trackbar spend the bucks for the JKS telescoping trackbar. I had one on my 95 YJ when I had it. It adjusts naturally. When you go wheeling - you reach under there and loosen up a 9/16" bolt. It slides in and out and gives you articulation like there's not one on there. When done wheeling - tighten up the bolt and instant trackbar. You might be able to find one used.
http://www.jksmfg.com/telescoping_track_bar.htm
jim

micaheli · 01-09-2006, 04:48 PM

Well, this is good news anyways.. makes me feel a little better, now I just have to figure out why my front grill isn't attached correctly...

Does the grill hold up the radiator? or is the radiator mounted independantly?

Krazy · 01-09-2006, 04:51 PM

radiator is mounted to grille, take out the grille, radiator comes with it

micaheli · 01-09-2006, 04:57 PM

Cool - And, from what I understand - there is 5 bolts under each fender and one underneath that hold it in?

bbaCJ8 · 01-09-2006, 05:18 PM

Congratulations, you found "the Jeep thing". Now you understand.....

xj_man_646 · 01-09-2006, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbaXJ

Congratulations, you found "the Jeep thing". Now you understand.....

micaheli · 01-09-2006, 05:26 PM

What I have found is that I love this jeep.. lemon or not..

Me and my jeep have... uhm.. BONDED...

bbaCJ8 · 01-09-2006, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micaheli

What I have found is that I love this jeep.. lemon or not..

Me and my jeep have... uhm.. BONDED...

Yep, that's the Jeep thing. Jeepers love their Jeeps, no matter how much of a sh1tbox they become.

Blacksheep · 01-09-2006, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbaXJ

Yep, that's the Jeep thing. Jeepers love their Jeeps, no matter how much of a sh1tbox they become.

*cough /SHANE /cough*:flipoff:

Shane · 01-09-2006, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blacksheep XJ

*cough /SHANE /cough*:flipoff:

I like my shiitbox.

impeesia · 01-09-2006, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane

I like my shiitbox.

ahh, but your ****box is more ****ty than everyone elses

Shane · 01-09-2006, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by impeesia

ahh, but your ****box is more ****ty than everyone elses

bbaCJ8 · 01-09-2006, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane

I like my shiitbox.

EXACTLY!!

Shane · 01-09-2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbaXJ

EXACTLY!!

bbaCJ8 · 01-09-2006, 09:18 PM

'Course all yours does is hold down the garage floor, so it doesn't really matter whether you like it or not.

01-09-2006, 03:11 PM	#1
micaheli Trail Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armpit, Oregon Posts: 768	Bahh! Is my YJ a Lemon?! <--Updated Long post, but come on.. Help a buddy out. I had posted about lifts, wheels, my wierd hood alignment issue, etc.... My passenger side tire sticks out almost an entire inch more than the drivers side. I noticed, because the passengers side was flicking water in the air when I drove (its rainy here), and the drivers side wasn't.. So I got out and checked.. Now, could this be caused by my sagging suspension? If so, I'd like to know how that works.. Why does sagging suspension cause the vehicle to lean to the drivers side. Also, my jeep pulls to the left - which could also be because of these things, correct? The jeep must have been in a decent sized accident involving the passenger side wheel well area, because the springs and the fender are non-stock (scrap yard grease pencil numbers on them) and the Jeep wording on the passenger side is re-painted. Sometimes when I turn there is a soft tick/knock coming from the steering/axle area, but this could very well be something as simple as shocks, leafs shifting (looks like one leaf was removed, my jeep looks lowered in the front). The hood doesn't align properly and is 1/2-3/4" to the drivers side in the front - However, I don't believe its the hood that isn't lining up, its the grill that is mis-aligned. The grill is about 1/2" back from where it SHOULD be. Other than these things, the frame appears straight to visual inspection - the body appears to be centered on it, and the body appears un-damaged. Engine/TC/drivetrain runs and drives PERFECT, steering works great. I can't imagine anything that couldn't be adjusted if the frame/body were straight. You guys have any ideas? Maybe I'm being paranoid? will a lift (since it replaces most of the spring/shocks/etc) fix the sagging and therefor most of the problems? -=EDIT=- Here are links to my other posts about these issues: http://jeepin.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23632 http://jeepin.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23574 -=END=- __________________ Canon Last edited by micaheli; 01-15-2006 at 04:23 AM. Reason: Re-visiting

01-09-2006, 03:13 PM	#2
BigNutt Wheelin' in Heaven. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Houston, TX and Birmingham, AL Posts: 2,705	I didn't read anything, but no its not a lemon. __________________ '97 TJ Sport with 30 spline d30, detroit d44, 5 on 5.5, 33s, etc... http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/zachmc You tell him to put that thing in 4-low, take off his My Little Pony panties and drive it outta there

01-09-2006, 03:14 PM	#3
micaheli Trail Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armpit, Oregon Posts: 768	Gee thanks. Anybody with any REAL help? __________________ Canon

01-09-2006, 03:21 PM	#6
micaheli Trail Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armpit, Oregon Posts: 768	I just want to make sure its structurally safe.. I'm using it as my DD and would like to not die. So, no, not an aftermarket track-bar.... I honestly don't know what a trackbar is or what it looks like. people keep telling me to remove it.. but it sounds important. Sorry to sound like a ****tard. __________________ Canon

01-09-2006, 03:28 PM	#9
micaheli Trail Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armpit, Oregon Posts: 768	I should take your crayon away. __________________ Canon

01-09-2006, 03:29 PM	#10
Krazy kinda suprised Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saugerties, New York Posts: 7,927	i wanna see... oh and if you decide the YJ isn't safe, i'll take it off your hands... __________________ 89 YJ 350 SBC SM465 NP205 60/14bff 2006 Ram 1500 TRX4...with a 6 speed Gone... 2010 Ram 1500

01-09-2006, 03:30 PM	#11
otisdog Trail Guide Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aurora, CO Posts: 172	The track bar runs from the passenger side of the front axle to the frame on the driver's side of the Jeep. It will pull [or push] the axle to one side or the other if it's not the right length for the lift or droop that you have. jim __________________ 03 Wrangler Sport

01-09-2006, 03:32 PM	#13
Blacksheep Me, Myself, and I Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 13,844	Oh SNAP!!!!!! Could it be off because of the lowered springs in the front? His YJ sits like two inches low on the front

01-09-2006, 03:41 PM	#14
micaheli Trail Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armpit, Oregon Posts: 768	You know.. I just looked at a diagram of what a trackbar is (man, I'm such a stupid n00b) and it makes sense now why it would be pushed to THAT particular side... if it WAS sagged (and it is... BAD) it would totally sag. When I get a lift, I'll need an adjustable trackbar won't I? __________________ Canon

01-09-2006, 03:43 PM	#15
Krazy kinda suprised Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saugerties, New York Posts: 7,927	just remove it, no point of it on a leafspung vehicle __________________ 89 YJ 350 SBC SM465 NP205 60/14bff 2006 Ram 1500 TRX4...with a 6 speed Gone... 2010 Ram 1500

01-09-2006, 03:49 PM	#16
godplayer Trail Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 130	Take your trac-bar off and beat it on the ground. Then grind the mount off the axle. Here they fail you on inspection for not having it but if you grind off the mount you pass. You don't need it. __________________ 92 Jeep Cherokee 2Dr Sport (Stumpy) - 3 inch BDS lift, Rear EZ Locker, 140lb Homemade Rocker Panels 65 Jeep CJ5 (Crash) - Project, Wanted Prelude seats 79 Jeep CJ7 (The Rolling Hornet) - Project

01-09-2006, 04:19 PM	#19
micaheli Trail Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armpit, Oregon Posts: 768	LoL, Hey guys.. easy on BlackSheep.. He's liable to snap into a suicidal rage and take me with him.... I understand how sway bars can be optional.. however, to improve handling for normal everyday driving.. I can see how an adjustable one would be nice to have to keep the car from swaying back and forth. __________________ Canon

01-09-2006, 04:23 PM	#20
Shane aka Monkey Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mill Creek, Wa Posts: 15,219	It's Bradley...i will NEVER go easy on him __________________ 07 5.9: DD 97 TJ: Ultra4 Mod #4545

01-09-2006, 04:39 PM	#21
otisdog Trail Guide Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aurora, CO Posts: 172	For the YJ if you really want a trackbar spend the bucks for the JKS telescoping trackbar. I had one on my 95 YJ when I had it. It adjusts naturally. When you go wheeling - you reach under there and loosen up a 9/16" bolt. It slides in and out and gives you articulation like there's not one on there. When done wheeling - tighten up the bolt and instant trackbar. You might be able to find one used. http://www.jksmfg.com/telescoping_track_bar.htm jim __________________ 03 Wrangler Sport

01-09-2006, 04:48 PM	#22
micaheli Trail Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armpit, Oregon Posts: 768	Well, this is good news anyways.. makes me feel a little better, now I just have to figure out why my front grill isn't attached correctly... Does the grill hold up the radiator? or is the radiator mounted independantly? __________________ Canon

01-09-2006, 04:51 PM	#23
Krazy kinda suprised Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saugerties, New York Posts: 7,927	radiator is mounted to grille, take out the grille, radiator comes with it __________________ 89 YJ 350 SBC SM465 NP205 60/14bff 2006 Ram 1500 TRX4...with a 6 speed Gone... 2010 Ram 1500

01-09-2006, 04:57 PM	#24
micaheli Trail Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armpit, Oregon Posts: 768	Cool - And, from what I understand - there is 5 bolts under each fender and one underneath that hold it in? __________________ Canon

01-09-2006, 05:18 PM	#25
bbaCJ8 old and boring Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: MI Posts: 29,926	Congratulations, you found "the Jeep thing". Now you understand..... __________________ Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

01-09-2006, 05:26 PM	#27
micaheli Trail Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Armpit, Oregon Posts: 768	What I have found is that I love this jeep.. lemon or not.. Me and my jeep have... uhm.. BONDED... __________________ Canon

01-09-2006, 09:18 PM	#35
bbaCJ8 old and boring Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: MI Posts: 29,926	'Course all yours does is hold down the garage floor, so it doesn't really matter whether you like it or not. __________________ Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.