what to do with the arse end

nblehm · 01-01-2006, 11:18 PM

well heres what I have been thinking about

1. keep the 60 under it, get the spindles re worked and go 35 spline, with detroit. Gusset the crap outta everything

2. buy a 14 bolt, put my discs on it and weld on brackets. Throw detroit in it and get it shaved

3. build a 35 detroited or 40 spline spooled 9". put some discs on it

Just in the thought process right now

XJ Fanatic · 01-01-2006, 11:20 PM

nine or 14 bolt... just cuz i think 60s are over rated and teh 9 and 14 bolt have very nice carrier designs

Lubes · 01-01-2006, 11:21 PM

pig it you retard, cheapest and strongest...

nblehm · 01-01-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lubes

pig it you retard, cheapest and strongest...

I am sure thats what will happen... I have just been thinkin bout a pimped 9" back there lately

Steve95ZJ · 01-01-2006, 11:23 PM

chicks love the 9 inches.

redwrangler97 · 01-01-2006, 11:24 PM

9" if you have the $$

Lubes · 01-01-2006, 11:26 PM

I'll take my 10.5 any day... the third ball, I mean pinion bearing, is what the girls love though. 60s are for fronts...

Static-XJ · 01-01-2006, 11:40 PM

niner

nblehm · 01-02-2006, 12:07 AM

yeah know what...I think I just ruled the 9 out. 8 lug is gonna be the problem with that

Steve95ZJ · 01-02-2006, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Static-XJ

niner

"I'm sorry, was there a "niner" in there"

Static-XJ · 01-02-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nblehm

yeah know what...I think I just ruled the 9 out. 8 lug is gonna be the problem with that

Yeah, I just thought of that. No one can make a 9" shaft with a flange large enough for 8 lug. There is the spacer/adapter option.

Between the 60 and 14bolt, my choice would come down to end cost to get it going. Thought about an Eaton?

nblehm · 01-02-2006, 01:02 AM

well... 300 bucks to bored out the spindles (or weld 14 bolt spindles on) then 300 bucks for shafts and 500 something for the detroit

for the 14 bolt. 75 bucks for the axle. 60 bucks for the disc brackets, 300 something (I think) for the detroit. 100-200 to get it shaved. plus brackets

Static-XJ · 01-02-2006, 01:05 AM

D70?

nblehm · 01-02-2006, 01:07 AM

well I was thinkin about it, but the one I would want (70u) are like 300-500 bucks. I will prolly do the 14 bolt. Maybe just cut the lip off the bottom and call it good

Shane · 01-02-2006, 03:55 AM

i got my 14 bolt with 4.56's for pretty cheap

ToddW · 01-02-2006, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nblehm

well... 300 bucks to bored out the spindles (or weld 14 bolt spindles on) then 300 bucks for shafts and 500 something for the detroit

for the 14 bolt. 75 bucks for the axle. 60 bucks for the disc brackets, 300 something (I think) for the detroit. 100-200 to get it shaved. plus brackets

Do you need to shave and plate it for the 100-200$ it will cost to gain another 1/4 to 1/2"? If you aren't competing sawz-all that lower lip off and grind it to the bottom bolt hole. This is how I ran on my YJ for years and it works great. Save another couple hundred bucks.

On the new buggy the previous owner shaved it all the way up to and removed the bottom bolt... it leaks if it gets hit HARD/WEIRD he said but just hammer it back and call it good. (I`ve got a cool brace idea I think will stop it from hapening all together, and yes it has a beefier diff.)

If you are going to go 14b, and are interestedi nt he BluTorchFab 14bolt diff cover I have one for sale for $110 + shipping brand new too

I have some 14b disc brake brackets too i`ll let go uber cheap!

btw - I think you can tell what I voted for

14b all the way, cheap strong, and cheap for doing gears, locker, etc, etc.
-Todd

nblehm · 01-02-2006, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane

i got my 14 bolt with 4.56's for pretty cheap

I dont care about you...or ask what you got

phillyzj · 01-02-2006, 07:44 AM

i was thinkin 60, if you already got it geared. it's already setup right.

best option would probably be the 14bolt, but the 60 seems like it might make more sense.

i guess it depends on how big of tire you want to go...

is there a weight diff between the two? how much?

Static-XJ · 01-02-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyzj

i was thinkin 60, if you already got it geared. it's already setup right.

best option would probably be the 14bolt, but the 60 seems like it might make more sense.

i guess it depends on how big of tire you want to go...

is there a weight diff between the two? how much?

Going to 35 spline will need the gears to be setup again.

PhatYJ · 01-02-2006, 10:42 AM

Pimped nine.

Removable 3rd pnz you.

wrath · 01-02-2006, 10:43 AM

Are you planning on running tires big enough to exceed what a set of chromoly shafts will get you?

Anything smaller than 40s is a waste of a 14FF or a Dana 70.

A 9" isn't worth it on a SWB vehicle... have to worry about your driveshafts and yokes too much.

You could always get another steer 60.

Static-XJ · 01-02-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PhatYJ

Pimped nine.

Removable 3rd pnz you.

8 lug shafts...

Static-XJ · 01-02-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wrath

A 9" isn't worth it on a SWB vehicle... have to worry about your driveshafts and yokes too much.

I'd hardly call his TJ SWB anymore.

http://www.truehi9.com

PhatYJ · 01-02-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Static-XJ

8 lug shafts...

Fawk it, convert the front

Static-XJ · 01-02-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PhatYJ

Fawk it, convert the front

So you got a nine?

PhatYJ · 01-02-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Static-XJ

So you got a nine?

You didn't know that Andy?

Static-XJ · 01-02-2006, 10:55 AM

No.

They kick *** don't they? It'll be nice when I do the links not having to get a bridge to go over the chunk.

What are your plans? I'm going 35 spline spooled TrueHi9 with 5.14's. A lot of money I have to save up.

96 Sport · 01-02-2006, 10:55 AM

pig it and forget it.

PhatYJ · 01-02-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Static-XJ

No.

They kick *** don't they? It'll be nice when I do the links not having to get a bridge to go over the chunk.

What are your plans? I'm going 35 spline spooled TrueHi9 with 5.14's. A lot of money I have to save up.

I thought for sure you and I talked about it. Don't you remember when I posted pics of my new axles in the back of the PhatYota?

Anyway..... my axle is already built, but a TruHi9 is the plan for the furture. Right now I'm just gonna run it the way it is.

It's got disc's, Moser 31sp shafts, ARB and 4.10's.

Lubes · 01-02-2006, 11:41 AM

^^ what Sport said ^^

Yur wasting time asking questions about your rig to people that don't even know what you have.
If someone says "anything less than 40s is a waste of a 14 bolt", they most not know that you have a 60 and 40s NOW, and break the 60 as it is. The 14 bolt will have a cheaper Detroit than the 60, you have breaks and only need breackets (cheap), you don't need to blow 180 bux you plate the bottom and gain like 1/2" clearance over my smooth bottomed 14er, it will come with the gears you want, it's STILL stronger than even a Dana 70, and I'm sure I could go on. You know how much I love these things. But consider, I know too, what your money situation is. You don't need bling crap, you need cheap and effective so you can stop worrying and move on to yur cage, and redoing the front suspension... Not to mention Moab, money for fixxxing anything that comes, a bender, and maybe some spare parts for the front.

So I repeat, DO WHAT SPORT SAID!!!

wrath · 01-02-2006, 11:42 AM

TrueHi9 is pretty pricey, I'd be tempted to go with a high pinion D60.

Static-XJ · 01-02-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wrath

TrueHi9 is pretty pricey, I'd be tempted to go with a high pinion D60.

TrueHi9 > HP60.

phillyzj · 01-02-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Static-XJ

Going to 35 spline will need the gears to be setup again.

only the backlash though right? i guess if it's used and abused, might as well rebuild the whole thing though.

Wally · 01-02-2006, 12:16 PM

Natey, i did the 35 spline 60 rear. Mine was already geared and set up, so to do the 14 bolt and set it up the same, it'd cost me just a bit more than than doing the 35 spline 60, and in the end, no one can say one way or the other which is stronger, 14bolt or 35 spline 60, plus you have more ground clearence with a 60 than a 14bolt. Yes you can shave a 14bolt, you can also shave a 60, so don't go there, in the end, you'll have the same clearence with em shaved. I would not bother with a 9". Yes they are strong, but you really need to dump some $$$ into them for it to last. The stock housing will grenade with 40" tires and low gears, so the 35spline shafts don't make much sense unless you go with a nodular housing. You'll also need to truss it, because the tubes are not all that thick.

I know a few guys down in Montrose and rifle that are running 40-42" swampers on 35 spline 60's with various types of V8's that have PLENTY of power. Most of them have been running this set up for over 3 years and not once have they broken a shaft, ring and pinion or locker. Alpine offroad bored my spindles and reset my new detroit for $300, and the Dutchman 35 spline alloys with a lifetime warranty were $850 delivered to my door with a new 35 spline detroit. I sold my old detroit and shafts for $350, so in end i paid $800 for the upgrade.

I couldn't do a comperable 14bolt for that price with 5.13's and a detroit. If i were building my rig all over again, i'd probably start with a 14bolt, but since my 60 was already geared and had brackets on it, i just stuck with the 60, and that's why i say you should do the same, don't bother with a 9" after all is said and done with building up a 9" beefed to hell, you're still stuck with a locker/carrier the size of a dana 44. Talk to tex about what lets go with that combo

Shane · 01-02-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nblehm

I dont care about you...or ask what you got

View Poll Results: which axle
35 spline the 60	4	14.81%
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I wish I had a 9" ...	9	33.33%
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01-01-2006, 11:18 PM	#1
nblehm Needs moar dagger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Littleton Posts: 21,804	what to do with the arse end well heres what I have been thinking about 1. keep the 60 under it, get the spindles re worked and go 35 spline, with detroit. Gusset the crap outta everything 2. buy a 14 bolt, put my discs on it and weld on brackets. Throw detroit in it and get it shaved 3. build a 35 detroited or 40 spline spooled 9". put some discs on it Just in the thought process right now __________________

01-01-2006, 11:20 PM	#2
XJ Fanatic I wear a thong Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fort Irwin, CA Posts: 16,827	nine or 14 bolt... just cuz i think 60s are over rated and teh 9 and 14 bolt have very nice carrier designs __________________ 2002 WJ Overland, 4.7ho, quadradrive, all terrains, all 4 options available 31's The rubicon of the grands... Project Liquid Courage: 94 XJuggy, 44/8.8, 4.10 gears, minispooled f/r, hydro assist, 36" iroks, oba, leaves on all corners, aw4, 231sye'd, 4.0l... stroker and d300 in the works Proud to Serve, Proud to Defend, Proud to be an American Soldier

01-01-2006, 11:21 PM	#3
Lubes alcoholic little wombat Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Crawlorado Posts: 23,215	pig it you retard, cheapest and strongest... __________________ Wranglermeister Fan Page No, THIS is a Jeep-thing... you wouldn't understand!

01-01-2006, 11:23 PM	#5
Steve95ZJ Desperate Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pheonix, AZ Posts: 3,355	chicks love the 9 inches. __________________ https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G...k/IMG_3225.JPG The handcuffs are tight because they're new. They'll stretch out after you wear them awhile. www.azwildcatoffroad.net

01-01-2006, 11:24 PM	#6
redwrangler97 Trail Guide Join Date: May 2004 Location: BAMA Posts: 1,099	9" if you have the $$ __________________ 97 TJ: 33's, winch, lift, skids, herc'd 86 CJ7: project underway/trail rig- 44/14b/d300 on 40" boggers 79 CJ7: parting out GIT 'R DONE!!

01-01-2006, 11:26 PM	#7
Lubes alcoholic little wombat Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Crawlorado Posts: 23,215	I'll take my 10.5 any day... the third ball, I mean pinion bearing, is what the girls love though. 60s are for fronts... __________________ Wranglermeister Fan Page No, THIS is a Jeep-thing... you wouldn't understand!

01-01-2006, 11:40 PM	#8
Static-XJ squarier™ Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 21,678	niner __________________ '93 XJ \| '01 CTD \| '65 'Vair.

01-02-2006, 12:07 AM	#9
nblehm Needs moar dagger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Littleton Posts: 21,804	yeah know what...I think I just ruled the 9 out. 8 lug is gonna be the problem with that __________________

01-02-2006, 01:02 AM	#12
nblehm Needs moar dagger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Littleton Posts: 21,804	well... 300 bucks to bored out the spindles (or weld 14 bolt spindles on) then 300 bucks for shafts and 500 something for the detroit for the 14 bolt. 75 bucks for the axle. 60 bucks for the disc brackets, 300 something (I think) for the detroit. 100-200 to get it shaved. plus brackets __________________

01-02-2006, 01:05 AM	#13
Static-XJ squarier™ Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 21,678	D70? __________________ '93 XJ \| '01 CTD \| '65 'Vair.

01-02-2006, 01:07 AM	#14
nblehm Needs moar dagger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Littleton Posts: 21,804	well I was thinkin about it, but the one I would want (70u) are like 300-500 bucks. I will prolly do the 14 bolt. Maybe just cut the lip off the bottom and call it good __________________

01-02-2006, 03:55 AM	#15
Shane aka Monkey Man Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mill Creek, Wa Posts: 15,219	i got my 14 bolt with 4.56's for pretty cheap __________________ 07 5.9: DD 97 TJ: Ultra4 Mod #4545

01-02-2006, 07:44 AM	#18
phillyzj ZJ Guru Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Aberdeen, MD Posts: 10,575	i was thinkin 60, if you already got it geared. it's already setup right. best option would probably be the 14bolt, but the 60 seems like it might make more sense. i guess it depends on how big of tire you want to go... is there a weight diff between the two? how much? __________________ '98 ZJ Buggy - project '00 CTD Ram - Tow Rig '02 Civic - Boring DD

01-02-2006, 10:42 AM	#20
PhatYJ Admin Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: PacNW Posts: 51,419	Pimped nine. Removable 3rd pnz you. __________________ A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

01-02-2006, 10:43 AM	#21
wrath Jeeper wannabe Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Chelsea, MI Posts: 2,326	Are you planning on running tires big enough to exceed what a set of chromoly shafts will get you? Anything smaller than 40s is a waste of a 14FF or a Dana 70. A 9" isn't worth it on a SWB vehicle... have to worry about your driveshafts and yokes too much. You could always get another steer 60. __________________ Of course I understand the Jeep Thing, you bought my old parts.

01-02-2006, 10:55 AM	#27
Static-XJ squarier™ Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 21,678	No. They kick *** don't they? It'll be nice when I do the links not having to get a bridge to go over the chunk. What are your plans? I'm going 35 spline spooled TrueHi9 with 5.14's. A lot of money I have to save up. __________________ '93 XJ \| '01 CTD \| '65 'Vair.

01-02-2006, 10:55 AM	#28
96 Sport --- --- Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Your gf's underwear drawer Posts: 7,727	pig it and forget it. __________________ 99 DubJay Limited

01-02-2006, 11:41 AM	#30
Lubes alcoholic little wombat Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Crawlorado Posts: 23,215	^^ what Sport said ^^ Yur wasting time asking questions about your rig to people that don't even know what you have. If someone says "anything less than 40s is a waste of a 14 bolt", they most not know that you have a 60 and 40s NOW, and break the 60 as it is. The 14 bolt will have a cheaper Detroit than the 60, you have breaks and only need breackets (cheap), you don't need to blow 180 bux you plate the bottom and gain like 1/2" clearance over my smooth bottomed 14er, it will come with the gears you want, it's STILL stronger than even a Dana 70, and I'm sure I could go on. You know how much I love these things. But consider, I know too, what your money situation is. You don't need bling crap, you need cheap and effective so you can stop worrying and move on to yur cage, and redoing the front suspension... Not to mention Moab, money for fixxxing anything that comes, a bender, and maybe some spare parts for the front. So I repeat, DO WHAT SPORT SAID!!! __________________ Wranglermeister Fan Page No, THIS is a Jeep-thing... you wouldn't understand!

01-02-2006, 11:42 AM	#31
wrath Jeeper wannabe Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Chelsea, MI Posts: 2,326	TrueHi9 is pretty pricey, I'd be tempted to go with a high pinion D60. __________________ Of course I understand the Jeep Thing, you bought my old parts.

01-02-2006, 12:16 PM	#34
Wally Almost famous Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Aspen & Grand Junction , CO Posts: 2,875	Natey, i did the 35 spline 60 rear. Mine was already geared and set up, so to do the 14 bolt and set it up the same, it'd cost me just a bit more than than doing the 35 spline 60, and in the end, no one can say one way or the other which is stronger, 14bolt or 35 spline 60, plus you have more ground clearence with a 60 than a 14bolt. Yes you can shave a 14bolt, you can also shave a 60, so don't go there, in the end, you'll have the same clearence with em shaved. I would not bother with a 9". Yes they are strong, but you really need to dump some $$$ into them for it to last. The stock housing will grenade with 40" tires and low gears, so the 35spline shafts don't make much sense unless you go with a nodular housing. You'll also need to truss it, because the tubes are not all that thick. I know a few guys down in Montrose and rifle that are running 40-42" swampers on 35 spline 60's with various types of V8's that have PLENTY of power. Most of them have been running this set up for over 3 years and not once have they broken a shaft, ring and pinion or locker. Alpine offroad bored my spindles and reset my new detroit for $300, and the Dutchman 35 spline alloys with a lifetime warranty were $850 delivered to my door with a new 35 spline detroit. I sold my old detroit and shafts for $350, so in end i paid $800 for the upgrade. I couldn't do a comperable 14bolt for that price with 5.13's and a detroit. If i were building my rig all over again, i'd probably start with a 14bolt, but since my 60 was already geared and had brackets on it, i just stuck with the 60, and that's why i say you should do the same, don't bother with a 9" after all is said and done with building up a 9" beefed to hell, you're still stuck with a locker/carrier the size of a dana 44. Talk to tex about what lets go with that combo __________________ Old Rig - 1 Ton YJ on 40's New Rig - 1 ton 6.0L TJ on 40's Wife's Rig - 1/2 ton YJ on 37's 2002 F350 7.3L Power Stroke CC LB 6sp SRW 4x4 Tow Rig