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Old 11-01-2005, 03:01 PM   #1
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Question how to tell if/when power steering is going bad?

Here's the situation... starting back around June of this year I started noticing my steering was getting a bit stiffer, and not self-centering normally. It's progressively gotten worse to the point where I can rotate my steering wheel up to 90* left or right of center and it just stays there.

The pump and box make no noise though -- no squeeling or whining. I've checked the fluid level and it appears to be fine. No major leaks that I can see.

So would this be indicative of the pump going out, or the box itself??
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:06 PM   #2
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if you can turn the wheel 90* without changing direction, either your box is screwed, your linkage is screwed, or your box is ripping off the mounts. I had that happen to my CJ once. The stamped brackets they used for the steering box mount decided to stress crack completely off the frame, so the only thing holding the box up was the steering shaft and hoses. scary stuff. I would get under there ASAP and figure out wtf is going on with that before you get hurt.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:09 PM   #3
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oh, sorry, no, it steers just fine, it just doesn't self-center anymore... ie: I can turn the wheel up to 90* either way and let go of the wheel and it'll just drive in a circle, and it feels very stiff now, but not rough.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:15 PM   #4
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is yer steering stabilizer bent/broken/dented?
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He doesnt have a steering stabalizer i dont think
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:16 PM   #6
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Nope, no SS. I checked all the TRE's and balljoints and they appear to be fine too...
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o. well, in that case, it sounds like the box. if it was just the pump, it would still self-center. make sure you get a replacement box with a lifetime warranty, just in case you get a crappy one. i had that happen once where i got a rebuilt steering box that was worse than the one i ripped out. i took that one out, took it back, and got another rebuilt box for free. the second one was so much better it was scary. or, just get a new one, if there is still such a thing.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:23 PM   #8
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yup yer box is worn out.

you could try loosening the jam nut on the top of the box and back that allen head screw out 1/8 of a turn and see if that helps.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:53 PM   #9
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Jason, I've noticed on my daily driver that it turns a lot harder in parking lots....I know from driving cars without PS that turning the wheels while stopped or going slow is much more difficult....but that shouldn't happen on a car that has PS.

Have you noticed anything like that on yours?

I think mine might be the pump.
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Old 11-01-2005, 04:08 PM   #10
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it doesn't seem to make a difference when/where I'm driving. Parking lot, highway, whatever.
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Old 11-01-2005, 04:11 PM   #11
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Yeah, sounds like there is drag in the box, since the centering actually comes from the caster of the wheels....
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Time for an ARB box and new pump.
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:19 PM   #13
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Here's the situation... starting back around June of this year I started noticing my steering was getting a bit stiffer, and not self-centering normally. It's progressively gotten worse to the point where I can rotate my steering wheel up to 90* left or right of center and it just stays there.

The pump and box make no noise though -- no squeeling or whining. I've checked the fluid level and it appears to be fine. No major leaks that I can see.

So would this be indicative of the pump going out, or the box itself??

Mine started out like yours, I tried adjusting the box that worked for a little while. I let it go for a long time and now its sloppy as hell and if I turn it all the way to the right or left it suddenly gets so stiff I have to put all my weight into it. I got a new AGR box, pump and remote reservoir but haven't put it in yet. Hopefully I'll have time to do it this weekend.
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Old 11-01-2005, 11:18 PM   #14
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If I go aftermarket, it'll be PSC. They're local, and supposed to be better than AGR.
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Old 11-02-2005, 01:26 AM   #15
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If I go aftermarket, it'll be PSC. They're local, and supposed to be better than AGR.
Yeah, yeah - AGR - that's what I meant...
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Old 11-02-2005, 07:45 AM   #16
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i can barely turn my wheels with the brakes on. damn soft compounds
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why bot er with an aftermarket box when u can get one for less then be able to get a replacement if it breaks. theyre not that hard to swap
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i can barely turn my wheels with the brakes on. damn soft compounds
That's because your scrub radius is fuct.
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Old 11-02-2005, 12:54 PM   #19
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When your arms start to look like this...




It's time to replace the power steering...

Really though it sounds like the pump is on it's way out...
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it doesnt sound like the pump because if the pump was bad it wouldnt turn very well, like razor said i think the tell tail sign is the fact that it isnt returning to center, that IS a product of the caster and wouldnt be affected if the pump was going bad. like i said earlier id go to advanced spend around $200 (+core) to get one that if it ever breaks you can go back to advanced and say hey, it broke and they hand you a new one.
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When my pump went bad (and I'm sure it was the pump that went bad,) If idling, I would have to put the transmission in neutral and rev the engine up to turn the wheels.

That's what a worn out pump's symptom is.

Just a data point.
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when my pump exploded i was still able to drive the 30 miles home and turn no prob
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when my pump exploded i was still able to drive the 30 miles home and turn no prob
right but you didnt have power steering.
edit: once your pump went out...

and for hotsexj, that makes total sense, because the pressure determins the ease of turning, when you pump started going bad you had to get the rpms up to get the pressure high enough to turn the gearbox. it seems like its the box because the pressure doesnt seem to be a problem, rather stifness in the box.
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