d44 with c-clips.

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 12:42 AM

anyone know what these came in?

phillyzj · 01-16-2005, 02:42 AM

ZJ's/WJ's afik. Aluminum center sections as well.

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 03:36 AM

and the ring and pinion in these is different from other 44s huh

BUCKYXJ · 01-16-2005, 10:33 AM

r and p is the same I believe

phillyzj · 01-16-2005, 01:46 PM

I'm not sure if they are or not? but i know you can't get anything over 4.56 for a D44A...so i'd guess they are different but that's a complete guess. I know the lockers are different.

BUCKYXJ · 01-16-2005, 01:52 PM

retract my last statement I think they are different.

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 01:59 PM

ive looked in a few catalogs amd a few websites lookin for gears.. im not havin any luck....
anyone have any suggestions?

Matt02WJ · 01-16-2005, 02:25 PM

contact Dana...

Dana home page

Dana contact page
you need to click on automotive and then fill some info out and they will get back to you

If I were you I would call this number and see where it leads you (419)535-4500 (Dana Corporate Headquarters)

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 02:58 PM

The ring and pisnions aren't the same, but it's the same ring an pinion that Vipers and Vettes use, which is the only reason there's anything at all.

Also, I don't think the WJ versions are C clipped, just the ZJ versions.

Diesel, can you verify that the axle you are trying to find gears for has an aluminum center section?

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 03:00 PM

yeah it is

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 03:10 PM

Where did you procure this animal? Is it out of a ZJ or a WJ?

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by razorbackME:
Where did you procure this animal? Is it out of a ZJ or a WJ?

i dunno what i came out of all i know is he said it was out of a grand.. somone said wj's donthave c-clips so id guess a zj.. i have a few pics if it would help

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 03:15 PM

Well, the only reason that I ask is that I'm looking for one out of a ZJ. I'm gonna cut it up (because they are practically worthless) and use it to build a better axle.

The easiest way to spot the WJ axle is that it has the 5x5 wheel stud pattern, and no track bar or upper control arms mounts, just a mount on the top of the center section.

[ January 16, 2005, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: razorbackME ]

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 03:16 PM

ok this is a zj then

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 03:17 PM

heres what i have for pics

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 03:21 PM

Yep definitely out of a ZJ...

Whatcha gonna do with it?

[img]graemlins/iono.gif[/img]

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 03:22 PM

im settin it up for a friend

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 03:25 PM

what do you mean "setting it up"?

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 03:25 PM

4:10's

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 03:27 PM

He's going from 3.73s to 4.10s?

WHY? Not really worth the effort for such a small change.....

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 03:28 PM

its goin in a YJ that already had 4:11 so he either needs to regear the 44 or the 30

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 03:46 PM

Wait, wait, wait....he's swapping THIS axle into something else?

This swap makes NO sense.

1. He has to cut off all of the coil spring related bracketry and weld on leaf spring perches.

2. There are no aftermarket parts available for this axle. No lockers exist. None of the standard D44 parts interchange. As you have noticed, gearsets are the only thing available (and only in a handful of ratios), and not everyone has those.

This guy needs an 8.8....he could get it with 4.10s, relocate the perches, and call it done. That would be much cheaper and less time consuming, even if he got this axle for free.

[ January 16, 2005, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: razorbackME ]

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 05:47 PM

yeah i dont think he realized what he had.. i didnt know it was a alum. housing till i got there.. he thought it was steel.. and i showed up with a standard d44 ring and pinion....i think im gonna have a chat with him about it

phillyzj · 01-16-2005, 05:52 PM

you people are nuts, must be the cold weather [img]icon_smile_shock.gif[/img] [img]crazy3.gif[/img]

No way in hell i'd ever consider swapping in a D44A... Yes they are stronger than a D35, but they all seem to have gear whine at some point(s) in their life. Numerous people have punctured the housings...it's just Aluminum. There's a reason they say not to jack up the rear of the vehicle by the differential in grands...

As razor said, get an 8.8. w/ 4.10's. Worth the time and trouble in the long run. Especially once you buy 4.10's for it since they are hard to find i bet they are expensive, just a guess there though. my 8.8 gears were 215, figure 60 for an install kit, you're lookin at close to 300 in gears, you can get an 8.8 with gears in it for not much more.

All that said, you could also do what Razor's doin and mate it with a 12bolt. He can fill you in on that, or you can search, it was brought up a while ago.

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 06:02 PM

i have a extra 8.8 i can offer to sell him.. but i dunno what hes gonna want to do he bought this 44 a whil back and was lookin forward to it.. i hate bearin bad news

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phillyzj:
you people are nuts, must be the cold weather [img]icon_smile_shock.gif[/img] [img]crazy3.gif[/img]

No way in hell i'd ever consider swapping in a D44A... Yes they are stronger than a D35, but they all seem to have gear whine at some point(s) in their life. Numerous people have punctured the housings...it's just Aluminum. There's a reason they say not to jack up the rear of the vehicle by the differential in grands...

As razor said, get an 8.8. w/ 4.10's. Worth the time and trouble in the long run. Especially once you buy 4.10's for it since they are hard to find i bet they are expensive, just a guess there though. my 8.8 gears were 215, figure 60 for an install kit, you're lookin at close to 300 in gears, you can get an 8.8 with gears in it for not much more.

All that said, you could also do what Razor's doin and mate it with a 12bolt. He can fill you in on that, or you can search, it was brought up a while ago.

Well, mating it with a 12 bolt is a good didea for a ZJ, but not for a YJ. For a YJ, I'd go 8.8 hands down.

I debated going 8.8 or the 44A/12 bolt hybrid for a while. Either choice would suit me, and the hybrid will be easier to fab up, and I won't have to worry about the axle being narrower, which is a concern for me since I'm still running a stock wheel with my 33s. That made the hybrid the best choice for my application.

For a YJ, I'd definitely go with the 8.8...

Diesel, if he wants to get rid of this axle, I'm looking for one, so if he (wisely) decides to go with an 8.8, lemme know.

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 06:08 PM

yeah..hes probally gonna be ok with a 8.8 if he can unload the 44. what are they worth?

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 06:12 PM

That's just it....they aren't worth anything. Everyone swaps them out for something else since you can't get lockers or anything (and the precise reason why I'm dumping mine).

I liked to a guy on pirate that wanted $1000 for one.

[img]graemlins/laughing.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/screwy.gif[/img]

Yeah...I think he's probably still got it.

Like I said, I'm looking for one, but of course, you're in RI, and I'm in Arkansas, so it'll have to be shipped, which will be a substantial portion of the cost.

If you're interested in haggling a little, shoot me a PM.

phillyzj · 01-16-2005, 06:15 PM

forward air would probably be a little over 100, though unloaded with no gears or anything it would be cheaper. If you can get to a stop.

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 06:17 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't need the carrier/gears, but I would need the shafts....

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 06:20 PM

pm sent

razorbackME · 01-16-2005, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by diesel298:
pm sent

Diesel, your PM box is full....

diesel298 · 01-16-2005, 06:34 PM

humm i guess im popular.. im on it.....

Matt02WJ · 01-16-2005, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by diesel298:
humm i guess im popular.. im on it.....

didn't you actually have Jason lower the "your PM box is full" warning to go off at like 5 threads so you could feel special? [img]graemlins/laughing.gif[/img]

cherokeekid · 01-18-2005, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by razorbackME:

I debated going 8.8 or the 44A/12 bolt hybrid for a while. Either choice would suit me, and the hybrid will be easier to fab up, and I won't have to worry about the axle being narrower, which is a concern for me since I'm still running a stock wheel with my 33s. That made the hybrid the best choice for my application.

For a YJ, I'd definitely go with the 8.8...

Diesel, if he wants to get rid of this axle, I'm looking for one, so if he (wisely) decides to go with an 8.8, lemme know.

I remember everyone talking about that after that article in a 4x4 rag, but looking at the tubes on the zj axle I think I rather have d35 tubes

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phillyzj ZJ Guru Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Aberdeen, MD Posts: 10,574	ZJ's/WJ's afik. Aluminum center sections as well. __________________ '98 ZJ Buggy - project '00 CTD Ram - Tow Rig '02 Civic - Boring DD

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diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	and the ring and pinion in these is different from other 44s huh __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

01-16-2005, 10:33 AM	#4
BUCKYXJ --- DIG IT --- Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,888	r and p is the same I believe __________________ "SCRAT"~ '89 XJ with 6" lift and 36" TSL/SX's. D30/D44 4.56 gears welded rear, Detroit front. ZJ disc brakes and booster swap.<br />"Built by Blood, Sweat, and Beers"<br /> DIG IT! Tow Rig ~ '03 Toyota Sequoia.

01-16-2005, 01:46 PM	#5
phillyzj ZJ Guru Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Aberdeen, MD Posts: 10,574	I'm not sure if they are or not? but i know you can't get anything over 4.56 for a D44A...so i'd guess they are different but that's a complete guess. I know the lockers are different. __________________ '98 ZJ Buggy - project '00 CTD Ram - Tow Rig '02 Civic - Boring DD

01-16-2005, 01:52 PM	#6
BUCKYXJ --- DIG IT --- Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,888	retract my last statement I think they are different. __________________ "SCRAT"~ '89 XJ with 6" lift and 36" TSL/SX's. D30/D44 4.56 gears welded rear, Detroit front. ZJ disc brakes and booster swap.<br />"Built by Blood, Sweat, and Beers"<br /> DIG IT! Tow Rig ~ '03 Toyota Sequoia.

01-16-2005, 01:59 PM	#7
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	ive looked in a few catalogs amd a few websites lookin for gears.. im not havin any luck.... anyone have any suggestions? __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

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01-16-2005, 02:58 PM	#9
razorbackME Merf Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Posts: 11,469	The ring and pisnions aren't the same, but it's the same ring an pinion that Vipers and Vettes use, which is the only reason there's anything at all. Also, I don't think the WJ versions are C clipped, just the ZJ versions. Diesel, can you verify that the axle you are trying to find gears for has an aluminum center section? __________________ AWIB 4 LYFE UA Baja: It's a cross between Monster Garage and the Special Olympics. Number of bullshiit posts made by Dennis: 15,416 If voting could really make a difference, it would be illegal.

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01-16-2005, 03:10 PM	#11
razorbackME Merf Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Posts: 11,469	Where did you procure this animal? Is it out of a ZJ or a WJ? __________________ AWIB 4 LYFE UA Baja: It's a cross between Monster Garage and the Special Olympics. Number of bullshiit posts made by Dennis: 15,416 If voting could really make a difference, it would be illegal.

01-16-2005, 03:15 PM	#13
razorbackME Merf Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Posts: 11,469	Well, the only reason that I ask is that I'm looking for one out of a ZJ. I'm gonna cut it up (because they are practically worthless) and use it to build a better axle. The easiest way to spot the WJ axle is that it has the 5x5 wheel stud pattern, and no track bar or upper control arms mounts, just a mount on the top of the center section. [ January 16, 2005, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: razorbackME ] __________________ AWIB 4 LYFE UA Baja: It's a cross between Monster Garage and the Special Olympics. Number of bullshiit posts made by Dennis: 15,416 If voting could really make a difference, it would be illegal.

01-16-2005, 03:16 PM	#14
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	ok this is a zj then __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

01-16-2005, 03:17 PM	#15
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	heres what i have for pics __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

01-16-2005, 03:21 PM	#16
razorbackME Merf Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Posts: 11,469	Yep definitely out of a ZJ... Whatcha gonna do with it? [img]graemlins/iono.gif[/img] __________________ AWIB 4 LYFE UA Baja: It's a cross between Monster Garage and the Special Olympics. Number of bullshiit posts made by Dennis: 15,416 If voting could really make a difference, it would be illegal.

01-16-2005, 03:22 PM	#17
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	im settin it up for a friend __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

01-16-2005, 03:25 PM	#18
razorbackME Merf Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Posts: 11,469	what do you mean "setting it up"? __________________ AWIB 4 LYFE UA Baja: It's a cross between Monster Garage and the Special Olympics. Number of bullshiit posts made by Dennis: 15,416 If voting could really make a difference, it would be illegal.

01-16-2005, 03:25 PM	#19
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	4:10's __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

01-16-2005, 03:27 PM	#20
razorbackME Merf Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Posts: 11,469	He's going from 3.73s to 4.10s? WHY? Not really worth the effort for such a small change..... __________________ AWIB 4 LYFE UA Baja: It's a cross between Monster Garage and the Special Olympics. Number of bullshiit posts made by Dennis: 15,416 If voting could really make a difference, it would be illegal.

01-16-2005, 03:28 PM	#21
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	its goin in a YJ that already had 4:11 so he either needs to regear the 44 or the 30 __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

01-16-2005, 03:46 PM	#22
razorbackME Merf Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Posts: 11,469	Wait, wait, wait....he's swapping THIS axle into something else? This swap makes NO sense. 1. He has to cut off all of the coil spring related bracketry and weld on leaf spring perches. 2. There are no aftermarket parts available for this axle. No lockers exist. None of the standard D44 parts interchange. As you have noticed, gearsets are the only thing available (and only in a handful of ratios), and not everyone has those. This guy needs an 8.8....he could get it with 4.10s, relocate the perches, and call it done. That would be much cheaper and less time consuming, even if he got this axle for free. [ January 16, 2005, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: razorbackME ] __________________ AWIB 4 LYFE UA Baja: It's a cross between Monster Garage and the Special Olympics. Number of bullshiit posts made by Dennis: 15,416 If voting could really make a difference, it would be illegal.

01-16-2005, 05:47 PM	#23
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	yeah i dont think he realized what he had.. i didnt know it was a alum. housing till i got there.. he thought it was steel.. and i showed up with a standard d44 ring and pinion....i think im gonna have a chat with him about it __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

01-16-2005, 05:52 PM	#24
phillyzj ZJ Guru Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Aberdeen, MD Posts: 10,574	you people are nuts, must be the cold weather [img]icon_smile_shock.gif[/img] [img]crazy3.gif[/img] No way in hell i'd ever consider swapping in a D44A... Yes they are stronger than a D35, but they all seem to have gear whine at some point(s) in their life. Numerous people have punctured the housings...it's just Aluminum. There's a reason they say not to jack up the rear of the vehicle by the differential in grands... As razor said, get an 8.8. w/ 4.10's. Worth the time and trouble in the long run. Especially once you buy 4.10's for it since they are hard to find i bet they are expensive, just a guess there though. my 8.8 gears were 215, figure 60 for an install kit, you're lookin at close to 300 in gears, you can get an 8.8 with gears in it for not much more. All that said, you could also do what Razor's doin and mate it with a 12bolt. He can fill you in on that, or you can search, it was brought up a while ago. __________________ '98 ZJ Buggy - project '00 CTD Ram - Tow Rig '02 Civic - Boring DD

01-16-2005, 06:02 PM	#25
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	i have a extra 8.8 i can offer to sell him.. but i dunno what hes gonna want to do he bought this 44 a whil back and was lookin forward to it.. i hate bearin bad news __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

01-16-2005, 06:08 PM	#27
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	yeah..hes probally gonna be ok with a 8.8 if he can unload the 44. what are they worth? __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59

01-16-2005, 06:12 PM	#28
razorbackME Merf Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Posts: 11,469	That's just it....they aren't worth anything. Everyone swaps them out for something else since you can't get lockers or anything (and the precise reason why I'm dumping mine). I liked to a guy on pirate that wanted $1000 for one. [img]graemlins/laughing.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/screwy.gif[/img] Yeah...I think he's probably still got it. Like I said, I'm looking for one, but of course, you're in RI, and I'm in Arkansas, so it'll have to be shipped, which will be a substantial portion of the cost. If you're interested in haggling a little, shoot me a PM. __________________ AWIB 4 LYFE UA Baja: It's a cross between Monster Garage and the Special Olympics. Number of bullshiit posts made by Dennis: 15,416 If voting could really make a difference, it would be illegal.

01-16-2005, 06:15 PM	#29
phillyzj ZJ Guru Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Aberdeen, MD Posts: 10,574	forward air would probably be a little over 100, though unloaded with no gears or anything it would be cheaper. If you can get to a stop. __________________ '98 ZJ Buggy - project '00 CTD Ram - Tow Rig '02 Civic - Boring DD

01-16-2005, 06:17 PM	#30
razorbackME Merf Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Location: Posts: 11,469	Yeah, I wouldn't need the carrier/gears, but I would need the shafts.... __________________ AWIB 4 LYFE UA Baja: It's a cross between Monster Garage and the Special Olympics. Number of bullshiit posts made by Dennis: 15,416 If voting could really make a difference, it would be illegal.

01-16-2005, 06:20 PM	#31
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01-16-2005, 06:34 PM	#33
diesel298 98 Feet Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: somewhere in new england Posts: 22,775	humm i guess im popular.. im on it..... __________________ at some point in time in a women's life they are destined to have intelligent dna in their system, unfortunately 95% of them spit it out.... :zjwrekkr WXC Points = 59