JL Wrangler! Discuss! - Page 4

Dennis · 01-09-2018, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sir Sam

This guy does a pretty good video on some of the lesser known details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLj9D4vo56Q

Glad they took the Jeep badge off the front. Wish that the Jeep on the side was embossed like the CJ/YJ/TJ instead of the badge.

Soft top ease looks AWESOME!!! Love that the cowl latches are no longer behind the sunshades. However the folded stack looks even taller than the JK's.

Cobound · 01-09-2018, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dennis

I can live with the fenders, I guess. Just wish the turn signals remained on the grill below the headlights as God, Mr. Willys, and some General in 1941 intended them to be.

Yeah, I'm guessing there will be a company that comes out w/ a grille that has the signals in them, or there will be some sort of mod kit where you drill your own, move the wiring (plug n play harness, possibly).

Of course, that would mean there'd need to be a blackout kit made to replace the fender lights, assuming they pop out or can be covered in some way...if not replaced w/ an aftermarket option as a result of larger tires and the signal mod.

At least that's what I've been envisioning since I saw them...and all those idiots that bought those stupid azz "mean" grilles in the past. At least this one would be a function change, not a garbage look change.

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Originally Posted by Dennis

Glad they took the Jeep badge off the front. Wish that the Jeep on the side was embossed like the CJ/YJ/TJ instead of the badge.

Soft top ease looks AWESOME!!! Love that the cowl latches are no longer behind the sunshades. However the folded stack looks even taller than the JK's.

Totally agree, would love to see the embossed Jeep, but that ain't happening...cost factor, I'm sure.

Yeah, seriously want to see how that top works, as well as the hard top panel (window) removal.

Dennis · 01-09-2018, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobound

Yeah, seriously want to see how that top works, as well as the hard top panel (window) removal.

Shouldn't be hard. Remember, the first Bronco IIs had removable rear windows.

Jeepin Jason · 01-08-2018, 08:18 PM

Artec is test-fitting belly armor.

Jeepin Jason · 01-09-2018, 09:29 AM

There're videos floating around showing the power top and removable rear side windows. The side windows work essentially just like the Freedom Top panels over the front seats, only, you know, they're vertical.

edit: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/for...stration.2086/

Dennis · 01-09-2018, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeepin Jason

There're videos floating around showing the power top and removable rear side windows. The side windows work essentially just like the Freedom Top panels over the front seats, only, you know, they're vertical.

edit: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/for...stration.2086/

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Originally Posted by Sir Sam

This guy does a pretty good video on some of the lesser known details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLj9D4vo56Q

Yeah, Doug D has a good demo buried in the video Sam posted at 3:35. Looks good for a mom mobile, or a guy that does not plan to do much wheeling. Also good if you are going to put one of those full length racks like a Garvin or GOBI on your Jeep.

Dennis · 01-09-2018, 10:13 AM

Any word on the doors with the lower windows?
Show feature, or is it going to be available to all?

bbaCJ8 · 01-09-2018, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobound

Looks like some aftermarket shops got to peek at them this last week...should start to see some things coming out shortly.

Looks like AEV actually GOT one on hand, at the shop

Bob just got to check it out, by the sounds of it...nothing in hand yet.

Can't wait to see what comes first, and how they truly differentiate them from the JK!

Everyone says something about the fenders...honestly, they don't bother me all that much

I don't mind the fenders at all. They look way better than the giant bubbly JK plastic ones. The styling lines and more squared off look is way better, and the raised Rubicon flares with huge openings look killer. Still waiting on our Rubicons to arrive, dealers started getting them yesterday so ours should be showing up soon. So far just got the white Sport pictured above and disassembly has begun. It's a nice ass ride, lots of cool features incorporated. Cool little Jeep grills in the headlights, real hood latches that eliminate flutter and incorporate cutouts to run a winch controller to the cab, Good looking suspension geometry, giant wheelwells for low lift big tire applications, tight turning radius, super nice interior, little pocket to put the key fob instead of bouncing around a cupholder or cubby, super beefy tailgate structure for a spare tire(3/16"+ thick cast inner panel), door and tailgate guides so it doesn't swing when you don't want, etc.
There are some funky things and others that look like an afterthought like anything else, but overall it's a good platform.

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Originally Posted by Dennis

Any word on the doors with the lower windows?
Show feature, or is it going to be available to all?

I've been told unofficially from a source who knows officially that they are happening, and there will be windows in them because they can't be shipped without, but that the windows are removable.

Cobound · 01-09-2018, 10:43 AM

Yeah, I've seen videos...want to see it in person.

Fuk that Bronco

B

6DoF · 01-09-2018, 01:00 PM

maybe JK's will finally suffer the crushing blow of depreciation?

Cobound · 01-09-2018, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 6DoF

maybe JK's will finally suffer the crushing blow of depreciation?

Not likely...and, hopefully, for those that own them...no!

FUBAR · 01-09-2018, 01:44 PM

TJs still have stupid high value. The only one that's really reasonably priced is the YJ.

6DoF · 01-09-2018, 01:54 PM

i wish i had invested in TJ futures back in the day ...

Cobound · 01-09-2018, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FUBAR

TJs still have stupid high value. The only one that's really reasonably priced is the YJ.

Right, and for good reason

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Originally Posted by 6DoF

i wish i had invested in TJ futures back in the day ...

No kidding. However, I've never done too bad w/ mine. I have two now that I could flip pretty easily and come out where I bought them, even ahead.

I'd like to do just that w/ one of them, but the wife and kid just flat out love them. Me, meh, I'll never own another one. Well, not a shorty, maybe an Unlimited. Even then, it'd have to be bastardized, molested and beefed to the hilt!!

6DoF · 01-09-2018, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobound

Even then, it'd have to be bastardized, molested and beefed to the hilt!!

i mean, that's ANY stock vehicle

Dennis · 01-09-2018, 04:00 PM

Those doors will be interesting. I like the new fenders overall, just need the turn signals in the right place.

If I can get the Mrs. a new car in the next month or two, it will be my turn in the cycle in 3.5-4 years just as the oldest hits 16. He takes over the JK, I get a well optioned JL!

bbaCJ8 · 01-19-2018, 12:27 PM

This is the best and most accurate thing I've read in a long time:

I stole this from a fellow Jeeper.
A Practical Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep (JK Owners Edition)
Hello JK owners! First let me say congratulations. There is now a Jeep that is newer than yours. As I’m sure you all know, every Jeep newer than the generation that you own is an abomination that must be shunned. For the last 11 years it was YOU the JK owners that carried the burden of having the ****ty new Jeep. But now, with the reveal of the new JL Wrangler you no longer are stuck with the worst Jeep ever made! However, it’s not time to celebrate yet. There’s a lot of work to be done before you’re truly ready to pass the torch of shame on to the next generation.
CJ, YJ, and TJ owners have all gone through this process before and now it’s your turn to join us in the traditional hating of the new Jeep! To help you though this exciting and emotional time I have prepared this simple step by step guide on how exactly to hate new Jeeps while establishing the JK as the last truly great Jeep.
Step 1 - Announce the death of Jeep:
The first step is the most important. Jeep has suffered many deaths over the its 76 year existence. In a futile and foolish attempt to keep up with market and regulatory demands, Jeep’s many owners made various changes to the very core and soul of Jeep itself ultimately leading to the total death and failure of the brand.
These announcements usually take the form of “Jeep died in _______ when _______ took over and made the ________.”
Let’s look at a few examples of past deaths:
"Jeep died in 1970 when AMC took over and made the CJ-7."
"Jeep died in 1987 when Chrysler took over and made the YJ."
"Jeep died in 1997 when Daimler took over and made the TJ."
"Jeep died in 2007 when Chrysler took over again and made the JK."
So now say it with me, “Jeep died in 2018 when Fiat took over and made them make the JL.”
Now of course some people may not understand why a new model immediately marks the death of Jeep. That's why we need to explain it to them in simple terms.
Step 2 - Develop a rallying cry:
Every new Jeep has changes. Everyone hates changes. Choose what you believe is the most egregious of these changes and form your campaign behind it. The fact that the new Jeep has or doesn’t have this feature means that it isn’t a real Jeep. This will be your rallying cry. Put it on bumper stickers, in your signature, your flair, or in the posts you make. Let’s take a look at some past examples:
Real Jeeps have round headlights!
Real Jeeps have two doors!
Real Jeeps don’t have air conditioning!
Real Jeeps have leaf spring suspension!
Real Jeeps don’t have power locks and windows!
etc.
Now let’s try some of our own,
Real Jeeps don’t have an 8 speed transmission!
Real Jeeps don’t have LED fender lights!
Real Jeeps don’t have an electric drivetrain!
etc.
Here we’ve established what makes the new Jeep an objectively terrible vehicle, however not everyone will be convinced by a simply catch phrase. That’s where step 3 comes in!
Step 3 - Craft your long form rant:
Express your displeasure at the dilution of the Jeep community. Establish blame for the death of Jeep. These statements serve the duel purpose of disparaging new Jeep owners and discouraging others from following in their footsteps. This one is easy. Just fill in the blanks.
“These new (Model) owners. A bunch of (Group of people typically not associated with Jeep) and (Second Group of people not associated with Jeep) who care more about looks than capability. Jeeps were never meant to have (New feature) but these (Groups chosen before) won’t buy a car without them. What’s next? (Absurd luxury feature)? What happened to making the most capable vehicle they could make? You can’t even get a (Removed feature) anymore because most of these people won’t do any more off-roading than the grass at their local (Location popular with new generation’s current “hip” crowd). It’s not even a real Jeep anymore it’s just (Jeep brand’s current owner) trash. And they’re so expensive too. These people drop (Current MSRP, fully loaded) for what’s basically just a (modern vehicle generally viewed as "uncool") with the Jeep logo. And the ones who modify their Jeeps are just as bad. It’s all just bolt on (Low end parts supplier) bumpers and (Newest vehicle lighting technology) lights. All about appearance and nothing about substance. AND THEY NEVER WAVE!”
See? it's easy when you can just reuse old arguments! Now that the Jeep world knows that you’re mad, what do you do?
Step 4 - Attack the JL Owners:
These people are ruining Jeep and they need to know it! They’re no better than people who bought the Compass. If you see one on this subreddit or elsewhere on other forums let them know that they don’t drive a real Jeep and aren’t welcome here. I know it seems harsh but believe me, the only way to make sure the Jeep community survives is to make sure no new people are allowed in ever.
Respond to simple questions with total distain. Downvote pictures of stock JLs or new purchases. Make sure nobody feels welcome. Don’t tell them about the trails you like or offer to go off-roading with them. They are unworthy. If they wanted to get into Jeeps they should have done it the way you did it. You earned your Jeep. You scoured the earth looking for that perfect restorable Jeep. You spent countless hours rebuilding every nut and bolt from scratch. You didn’t just waltz into some dealership and finance some bland new car. You built your Jeep.*
* Note: If you bought your JK new from a dealership then you should instead tell JL owners that they should have gone back in time and bought a new JK like you did.
By now it should be clear to the JL people where they stand in the community. Now we need to make sure it stays that way.
Step 5 - Maintain The New Status Quo:
This may be the hardest part. As more and more JL owners begin to flood the roads and trails you need to make sure you stick to your guns. The new JL owners may seem nice. Their Jeeps may seem cool or even Jeep like but make no mistake, they are still driving an objectively worse vehicle than yours.
NEVER concede that there are good things about the new Jeep. Avoid the mistakes others have made in the past such as:
“Man I wish I had air conditioning in my Jeep.”
“Coils do ride better on the road.”
“Power locks actually sound pretty nice in cold weather.”
“Your Jeep DOESN’T leak everywhere?”
Saying nice things about the new Jeep should be seen as a sign of weakness. You’re not weak. You’re a JK owner.
You may find yourself admiring the JL from afar. You may start reading great things on automotive websites. You may even feel a desire to test drive one yourself. Resist this temptation. The JK is the greatest Jeep ever made.
I'm not going to lie to you dear JK owners, Step 5 is where most people fail. For years Jeep owners have tried to definitively prove that their Jeep is the last great Jeep, yet despite this Jeep sales continue stronger than ever. Maybe this can change with you. If enough people hate on the JL with enough forcefulness, you can not only make sure that people know that the JK is the last great Jeep, but make sure that the JK is also the last Jeep period.
Which is what we all want… right?
That concludes today’s tutorial.

Dennis · 01-19-2018, 12:36 PM

It has been fun to age with everyone here on

16 years ago, all you early 30 somethings were teenagers, fun to watch your perspectives evolve.

nblehm · 01-19-2018, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis

It has been fun to age with everyone here on

16 years ago, all you early 30 somethings were teenagers, fun to watch your perspectives evolve.

6DoF · 01-19-2018, 01:00 PM

JK's are still the worst wrangler ever /story

01-09-2018, 09:29 AM	#5
Jeepin Jason I run this joint Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136,698	There're videos floating around showing the power top and removable rear side windows. The side windows work essentially just like the Freedom Top panels over the front seats, only, you know, they're vertical. edit: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/for...stration.2086/ Last edited by Jeepin Jason; 01-09-2018 at 09:43 AM.

01-09-2018, 10:43 AM	#9
Cobound - The Don - Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: MN Posts: 48,460	Yeah, I've seen videos...want to see it in person. Fuk that Bronco B __________________ To each his own. Not all those who wander are lost. The great irony - triggered snowflakes accusing triggered snowflakes of being triggered snowflakes

01-09-2018, 01:44 PM	#12
FUBAR four years later??? Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 18,468	TJs still have stupid high value. The only one that's really reasonably priced is the YJ. __________________ I melt down nails and beer cans to make my own pistons. That's how hardcore I am.

01-08-2018, 08:18 PM	#4
Jeepin Jason I run this joint Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 136,698	Artec is test-fitting belly armor.

01-09-2018, 10:13 AM	#7
Dennis Semper Fi ! Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 38,053	Any word on the doors with the lower windows? Show feature, or is it going to be available to all?

01-09-2018, 01:00 PM	#10
6DoF AKA: jeepnski Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 16,549	maybe JK's will finally suffer the crushing blow of depreciation?

01-09-2018, 01:54 PM	#13
6DoF AKA: jeepnski Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 16,549	i wish i had invested in TJ futures back in the day ...

01-09-2018, 04:00 PM	#16
Dennis Semper Fi ! Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 38,053	Those doors will be interesting. I like the new fenders overall, just need the turn signals in the right place. If I can get the Mrs. a new car in the next month or two, it will be my turn in the cycle in 3.5-4 years just as the oldest hits 16. He takes over the JK, I get a well optioned JL!

01-19-2018, 12:27 PM	#17
bbaCJ8 old and boring Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 33,878	This is the best and most accurate thing I've read in a long time: I stole this from a fellow Jeeper. A Practical Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep (JK Owners Edition) Hello JK owners! First let me say congratulations. There is now a Jeep that is newer than yours. As I’m sure you all know, every Jeep newer than the generation that you own is an abomination that must be shunned. For the last 11 years it was YOU the JK owners that carried the burden of having the ***ty new Jeep. But now, with the reveal of the new JL Wrangler you no longer are stuck with the worst Jeep ever made! However, it’s not time to celebrate yet. There’s a lot of work to be done before you’re truly ready to pass the torch of shame on to the next generation. CJ, YJ, and TJ owners have all gone through this process before and now it’s your turn to join us in the traditional hating of the new Jeep! To help you though this exciting and emotional time I have prepared this simple step by step guide on how exactly to hate new Jeeps while establishing the JK as the last truly great Jeep. Step 1 - Announce the death of Jeep: The first step is the most important. Jeep has suffered many deaths over the its 76 year existence. In a futile and foolish attempt to keep up with market and regulatory demands, Jeep’s many owners made various changes to the very core and soul of Jeep itself ultimately leading to the total death and failure of the brand. These announcements usually take the form of “Jeep died in _______ when _______ took over and made the ________.” Let’s look at a few examples of past deaths: "Jeep died in 1970 when AMC took over and made the CJ-7." "Jeep died in 1987 when Chrysler took over and made the YJ." "Jeep died in 1997 when Daimler took over and made the TJ." "Jeep died in 2007 when Chrysler took over again and made the JK." So now say it with me, “Jeep died in 2018 when Fiat took over and made them make the JL.” Now of course some people may not understand why a new model immediately marks the death of Jeep. That's why we need to explain it to them in simple terms. Step 2 - Develop a rallying cry: Every new Jeep has changes. Everyone hates changes. Choose what you believe is the most egregious of these changes and form your campaign behind it. The fact that the new Jeep has or doesn’t have this feature means that it isn’t a real Jeep. This will be your rallying cry. Put it on bumper stickers, in your signature, your flair, or in the posts you make. Let’s take a look at some past examples: Real Jeeps have round headlights! Real Jeeps have two doors! Real Jeeps don’t have air conditioning! Real Jeeps have leaf spring suspension! Real Jeeps don’t have power locks and windows! etc. Now let’s try some of our own, Real Jeeps don’t have an 8 speed transmission! Real Jeeps don’t have LED fender lights! Real Jeeps don’t have an electric drivetrain! etc. Here we’ve established what makes the new Jeep an objectively terrible vehicle, however not everyone will be convinced by a simply catch phrase. That’s where step 3 comes in! Step 3 - Craft your long form rant: Express your displeasure at the dilution of the Jeep community. Establish blame for the death of Jeep. These statements serve the duel purpose of disparaging new Jeep owners and discouraging others from following in their footsteps. This one is easy. Just fill in the blanks. “These new (Model) owners. A bunch of (Group of people typically not associated with Jeep) and (Second Group of people not associated with Jeep) who care more about looks than capability. Jeeps were never meant to have (New feature) but these (Groups chosen before) won’t buy a car without them. What’s next? (Absurd luxury feature)? What happened to making the most capable vehicle they could make? You can’t even get a (Removed feature) anymore because most of these people won’t do any more off-roading than the grass at their local (Location popular with new generation’s current “hip” crowd). It’s not even a real Jeep anymore it’s just (Jeep brand’s current owner) trash. And they’re so expensive too. These people drop (Current MSRP, fully loaded) for what’s basically just a (modern vehicle generally viewed as "uncool") with the Jeep logo. And the ones who modify their Jeeps are just as bad. It’s all just bolt on (Low end parts supplier) bumpers and (Newest vehicle lighting technology) lights. All about appearance and nothing about substance. AND THEY NEVER WAVE!” See? it's easy when you can just reuse old arguments! Now that the Jeep world knows that you’re mad, what do you do? Step 4 - Attack the JL Owners: These people are ruining Jeep and they need to know it! They’re no better than people who bought the Compass. If you see one on this subreddit or elsewhere on other forums let them know that they don’t drive a real Jeep and aren’t welcome here. I know it seems harsh but believe me, the only way to make sure the Jeep community survives is to make sure no new people are allowed in ever. Respond to simple questions with total distain. Downvote pictures of stock JLs or new purchases. Make sure nobody feels welcome. Don’t tell them about the trails you like or offer to go off-roading with them. They are unworthy. If they wanted to get into Jeeps they should have done it the way you did it. You earned your Jeep. You scoured the earth looking for that perfect restorable Jeep. You spent countless hours rebuilding every nut and bolt from scratch. You didn’t just waltz into some dealership and finance some bland new car. You built your Jeep. * Note: If you bought your JK new from a dealership then you should instead tell JL owners that they should have gone back in time and bought a new JK like you did. By now it should be clear to the JL people where they stand in the community. Now we need to make sure it stays that way. Step 5 - Maintain The New Status Quo: This may be the hardest part. As more and more JL owners begin to flood the roads and trails you need to make sure you stick to your guns. The new JL owners may seem nice. Their Jeeps may seem cool or even Jeep like but make no mistake, they are still driving an objectively worse vehicle than yours. NEVER concede that there are good things about the new Jeep. Avoid the mistakes others have made in the past such as: “Man I wish I had air conditioning in my Jeep.” “Coils do ride better on the road.” “Power locks actually sound pretty nice in cold weather.” “Your Jeep DOESN’T leak everywhere?” Saying nice things about the new Jeep should be seen as a sign of weakness. You’re not weak. You’re a JK owner. You may find yourself admiring the JL from afar. You may start reading great things on automotive websites. You may even feel a desire to test drive one yourself. Resist this temptation. The JK is the greatest Jeep ever made. I'm not going to lie to you dear JK owners, Step 5 is where most people fail. For years Jeep owners have tried to definitively prove that their Jeep is the last great Jeep, yet despite this Jeep sales continue stronger than ever. Maybe this can change with you. If enough people hate on the JL with enough forcefulness, you can not only make sure that people know that the JK is the last great Jeep, but make sure that the JK is also the last Jeep period. Which is what we all want… right? That concludes today’s tutorial.

01-19-2018, 12:36 PM	#18
Dennis Semper Fi ! Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 38,053	It has been fun to age with everyone here on 16 years ago, all you early 30 somethings were teenagers, fun to watch your perspectives evolve.

01-19-2018, 01:00 PM	#20
6DoF AKA: jeepnski Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 16,549	JK's are still the worst wrangler ever /story